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omiya



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:02 am Reply with quote
Omission from the article - McDonalds hasn't been doing so well in Japan recently.

From what an Italian friend has told me, the pizza at places in Japan that I showed him were closer to Italian pizza than what I'm used to in Australia:



This is the closest that I came to a McDonalds in Japan:



After watching Shirobako, I had to have Mont Blanc in Japan:

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Japanese crepes are so good, I don't understand why the rest of the world doesn't roll it up now. It's so much more efficient. I can't go back to regular crepes.

I didn't know there was such a thing as "regular crepes" lol, I've only ever had rolled up crepe icecream that's popular in California these days. The only other use of crepe I've seen is layered crepe cakes.

Continuing the talk about Denny's, around here it's pretty popular with teens as a late-night meal hangout spot after prom or some other event. It's great for when you get a craving for breakfast food at 2 am.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:53 am Reply with quote
Animechic420 wrote:
I think they have a Pizza Hut, too. Man, I would love to try Japanese pizza....

They're really creative with their toppings, but adds less cheese.


Japanese pizza, what an oxymoron. You're better off trying some local food instead of tasteless hyperprocessed homogenized industrial US food. Damn it, do you want to travel to Japan and end up eating at a McDonalds ? Rolling Eyes
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Japanese pizza, what an oxymoron. You're better off trying some local food instead of tasteless hyperprocessed homogenized industrial US food. Damn it, do you want to travel to Japan and end up eating at a McDonalds ? Rolling Eyes


Well, some people will travel to other countries and have no interest in that country's food or even consider it gross. In the case of Japan, it being an island nation, its cuisine is highly seafood-based, and if a tourist dislikes seafood, their options are rather limited. When one visits a McDonald's, they at least know what to expect when they walk in.

I mentioned McDonald's in Thailand earlier--every time I'd visit Bangkok, I'd see their McDonald's restaurants full of white people. So if what I saw in Thailand is anything like in Japan, then yes, a lot of people do want to eat there.

I also have no problem with processed foods. There is nothing inherently unsafe about them. Every argument I've seen against processed foods use the "appeal to nature" and "appeal to authority" logical fallacies. Same goes for GMOs. If you don't like the way certain foods taste, that's fine with me. But I do encourage people to do their research on the processing of food before making opinions about it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:43 am Reply with quote
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Besides, I've heard you speak positively about Little Caesar's before on one of the ANNcast. If that qualifies as alright pizza to you, then I definitely don't understand your qualms with Denny's, unless the only ones you've ever eaten at were shitty; that certainly is a possibility.

I most certainly did not do that. Perhaps I was being sarcastic or something. I haven't eaten Little Caesar's in 15 years. Hell, I don't even eat at Olive Garden. Yes, I am a gigantic snob, but at least I live in a city where I can be.
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leafy sea dragon wrote:
Yeah, I've heard it being an issue when Americans hang out with Japanese in shabu-shabu restaurants (where they give you raw meat and you cook it at your table's grill).

Shabu-shabu is "hot-pot" (you boil your meat & veggies in water), you're thinking of Yaki-niku (grill your meat and veggies on the table grill). Both have their merits, but I definitely enjoy going by a Gyu-Kaku and getting Yakiniku.
Animechic420 wrote:
I think they have a Pizza Hut, too. Man, I would love to try Japanese pizza....

I think Zac took over their marketing dept at one time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMc87KsRA1w
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Man, I never knew about this whole "racist Denny's" thing. Maybe this speaks to the amends they've made since then? I know my local Denny's is almost entirely filled with brown folks of all persuasions whenever I go, including the staff

jsevakis wrote:
I most certainly did not do that. Perhaps I was being sarcastic or something. I haven't eaten Little Caesar's in 15 years. Hell, I don't even eat at Olive Garden.


You said something about how you used to be the guy that could eat two Little Caesar's pizzas in one sitting in an ANNcast. I feel like if you mention that, you must think they're at least alright. Olive Garden is bland on bland, though. There's no comparison between it or Little Caesar's and Denny's. It caters to a demographic that prefers cleaner tables and mood lighting to taste.

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Yes, I am a gigantic snob, but at least I live in a city where I can be.


Pfft. City folk.

leafy sea dragon wrote:
(big ol' Little Caesar's lecture


Truly, that is one area that they cannot be beat.
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I had the McTeriyaki Burger when I visited Tokyo in 2002. Very tasty! Yes the portions are smaller than what we get at McDonalds in the US.

They are really good imitators too. There were stores that were carbon copies of Starbucks and Subway's in Tokyo. It was cool that the 7-11 stores sold manga and Japanese video game magazines.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:07 pm Reply with quote
Key wrote:
There were also some really weird places. We found a hot dog bar across the street from our hotel in Akihabara which offered something like 20 different kinds of hot dogs.
Music Bar PLAYER! I love that place... but I've never tried their hot dogs.



Answerman wrote:
Denny's IS everywhere, although it's basically a different restaurant than the pile of sadness we have Stateside.

It's an entirely different pile of sadness. Stay the F away from Japanese "family restaurants." Justin should have talked about his experience at Royal Host... but then, I heard he has a thing for Jonathon's.
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GVman wrote:
You said something about how you used to be the guy that could eat two Little Caesar's pizzas in one sitting in an ANNcast. I feel like if you mention that, you must think they're at least alright.


Did I? I must've used that comparison for scale. The last time I had Little Caesar's was the afternoon I left from my one semester at Michigan State University. I ate an entire Medium pie, which was $4 from the student union. That was December 1998.

I mean, I didn't used to be so discerning. I used to eat 10 White Castle burgers in one sitting back in my early 20s. But once I had to start watching what I eat, I began eating for quality over quantity -- no sense in wasting calories on stuff that isn't truly great, right? You only get to have x number of meals in a lifetime.

So nowadays the only chain restaurants I eat at are local farm-to-table chains like Tender Greens and Lemonade, or conveyor belt sushi. When desperate, though, I'll hit an In 'n' Out Burger.

I do have a bizarre love for Jonathan's whenever I'm in Japan though.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:29 pm Reply with quote
jsevakis wrote:
When desperate, though, I'll hit an In 'n' Out Burger.

If my memory serves me correctly, that is the second time you have admitted this in the last six years.
As we have both Shake Shack and Five Guys over here now, may I ask if In-N-Out* Burger compares favourably?

leafy sea dragon wrote:
Don't you guys in London boil peas until they're mushy though?

I shall admit that is the case. But the resulting dish is treated as between intermediary between a condiment and a side-dish, and in its most upmarket variations it is delicately flavoured. Conceptually it is quite similar to frijoles refritos, to give a ready example.

*It pains me to abbreviate the word 'and', especially as it is already monosyllabic. Sadly I am forced to adhere to the foul dictates of corporate branding.
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HeeroTX wrote:
Shabu-shabu is "hot-pot" (you boil your meat & veggies in water), you're thinking of Yaki-niku (grill your meat and veggies on the table grill). Both have their merits, but I definitely enjoy going by a Gyu-Kaku and getting Yakiniku.


Ah, okay. I get the two confused; I see way more shabu-shabu places than yaki-niku places.

jsevakis wrote:
I mean, I didn't used to be so discerning. I used to eat 10 White Castle burgers in one sitting back in my early 20s. But once I had to start watching what I eat, I began eating for quality over quantity -- no sense in wasting calories on stuff that isn't truly great, right? You only get to have x number of meals in a lifetime.


I suppose it depends on what one grows up on. I was raised on two things: To save every penny, and to not trust anything that isn't well-established. To that extent, my parents did not trust anything that wasn't a chain, under the idea that if a local non-chain place was truly successful, it would already be a large chain by then. That mindset I have discarded upon watching Food Network and seeing highly successful non-chain restaurants whose owners are very happy, though because my income is still rather low, I must hoard coupons and seek out deals wherever I can. (That, and huge nationwide chains are still my comfort food.)

For instance, yesterday, hot dogs at Wienerschnitzel were 55 cents, limit 10. So I got ten to share with other people. There were definitely better-tasting hot dogs I could've had, but this was my one chance to get ten hot dogs for $6 even including tax.

Zin5ki wrote:
leafy sea dragon wrote:
Don't you guys in London boil peas until they're mushy though?

I shall admit that is the case. But the resulting dish is treated as between intermediary between a condiment and a side-dish, and in its most upmarket variations it is delicately flavoured. Conceptually it is quite similar to frijoles refritos, to give a ready example.


Don't worry, I wasn't being entirely serious regarding mushy peas, as I know they'd have to be seasoned. I do hear it's something of a local joke that only the natives would eat them with fried fish though. But mushy peas are something I ought to try sometime.

Back to the original point though, boiled bacon is definitely a strange concept. But I'm certain they, too, season the water in which they boil it, and that they don't just throw a strip of bacon or two into a pot of pure water.
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leafy sea dragon wrote:
To that extent, my parents did not trust anything that wasn't a chain, under the idea that if a local non-chain place was truly successful, it would already be a large chain by then.

That's an odd mindset to have, the success of a business doesn't necessarily speak for the quality of the food and often large chain restaurants aren't the highest of quality establishments.
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Zin5ki wrote:
If my memory serves me correctly, that is the second time you have admitted this in the last six years.
As we have both Shake Shack and Five Guys over here now, may I ask if In-N-Out* Burger compares favourably?

Either you have a ridiculous memory or people are paying way too much attention to my dietary whims. Razz

I haven't had Shake Shack yet (LA locations near me won't open till winter, but most people I know are lukewarm on it. The general consensus is that their burgers are worse than In-N-Out, but the fries are better. Five Guys is about even quality-wise with In-N-Out on all fronts, but subjectively the things they do to burgers are not quite as crave-able, in my opinion. Also, as I am watching my weight, I go protein-style (no-bun), which is an In-N-Out specialty.

However, I live 1/2 a mile from Eden on Brand, which features the best gourmet burgers in Los Angeles, so unless they're closed, it's none of the above for me. Laughing
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Fenrin wrote:
leafy sea dragon wrote:
To that extent, my parents did not trust anything that wasn't a chain, under the idea that if a local non-chain place was truly successful, it would already be a large chain by then.

That's an odd mindset to have, the success of a business doesn't necessarily speak for the quality of the food and often large chain restaurants aren't the highest of quality establishments.

Agreed, usually once a restaurant starts to have multiple locations more than driving distance from each other, quality really starts to slip, as ingredients can no longer be sourced from one place, and prep can't be closely supervised by the chef who designed the menu. Mega-chains like Olive Garden are especially known to use cut-rate ingredients and cooking practices, making up for the poor food quality with the money and size to advertise nationally instead of relying on word-of-mouth. Quite a few dishes are even factory-prepared and frozen, and are literally just re-heated at the restaurant.

If you respect chefs as artists in their own right (and I do), chain restaurants can never be all that great because the chefs simply don't have ownership of the recipes, and can't try stuff, or change out things that aren't working. They're unable to tailor a menu based on the best available ingredients, or tweak things based on customer feedback. At that point a chef loses all creativity and becomes a line worker. And with things like food, you can really tell when someone puts their heart and soul into it.
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