Forum - View topicSubaru Natsuki: The Best and Worst Thing About Re:Zero
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Mitrospeed
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Oh, I know what you mean. Guess that's the curse of only having your first 10% of the story being adapted. The start of the story is mainly there to set up our protagonist towards his zero to hero approach and introducing various characters including hints towards their backstory & future development. I also get what you mean regarding the villains but to be fair we don't know anything about them yet. So while you're correct about the story mostly focusing on the character study around Subaru right now ( as in this season ) and having this as its main appeal you also have to take into account where we are atm in the overall narrative. There is definitely more to it, in fact in the scope of the entire story this whole character study we're witnessing right now is merely one of many different developments and actually comparably small ! |
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JustinTaco
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This was how I felt about the article summed up really nicely. I can see why it's hard to appreciate Rem because of the huge waifu mania currently surrounding her and White Fox overanimating her scene in ep 18 but she's still a very good character. I felt labeling her as Subaru's new crutch was pretty dismissive. |
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relyat08
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I don't know. I find pacing much more subjective than a lot of others apparently do. I've done my share of critical reading and writing, so I'm not just spouting nonsense. There is definitely good and bad pacing, but what we have in Re:Zero and a lot of other shows that some people complain are poorly paced strikes me as you-just-didn't-like-the-way-it-was-paced. If I watch the same thing, and another critic watches the same thing, and neither of us have an issue with the pacing, that doesn't mean that we just lack the appropriate critical skills. Maybe it's actually just a personal issue! I have been mixed on this series for quite a while, and didn't really decide I liked it until well into this current arc, but I don't think there was anything inherently wrong with the pacing of the first episode. |
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navycherub
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This article sums up my feelings about the show really well. I think arguments against this perspective on episode 18, stuff along the lines of "but that's how Rem really felt so you can't blame her for it," ignores a basic premise of fiction in general: this is a story, and its elements are created to make you feel certain ways and think certain things. Rem's motivations for loving Subaru so much that she would do this are not compelling enough to make me believe she represents anything but a comforting pillow for the audience who would feel intimate discomfort with how the arc treated Subaru's worldview up to that point. It doesn't really matter that the story said that this is how Rem feels. What matters is that how her written feelings were used.
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#860645
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the rem part is wrong also subaru has feelings for rem too it was already hinted since beginning of arc 3 (actually between arc 2 and 3 there are 2 side novels and 3 WN extra Chapter that focus on that time ) but it was more obivious in the Novels because of his inner monologues and the anime is also skipping bunch of rem scene too for some reason, and it was actually rem who rejected subaru in ep 18
ep 20 skipped scene spoiler[rem doesn't mind to become the 2nd wife and subaru wants a pologamy realtionship with her and emilia ] i also recommend to read that analyze about ep 18 https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/comments/4vulkd/rem_and_the_psychology_of_success/ Last edited by #860645 on Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:47 am; edited 1 time in total |
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zrnzle500
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I think those argument are specifically targeted at when Jacob says this
to which the response is pretty much exactly what you said. She's humoring this hypothetical because of her feelings for him. That is not necessarily targeted at the larger argument that Jacob was making in that section, at least not on my part. And @#860645 Rem specifically says in episode 18 that he rejected her so on that point you are wrong. |
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JustinTaco
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That's just silly. Fiction doesn't only have one use. An author can fully intend for you to treat a character as if they're a real person with complex thoughts and motivations. That's the whole point of developing characters. If a writer wants a character to serve a simplistic purpose they won't or won't need to bother fleshing them out at all. That's why we have ecchi harem shows where people slot into archetypes extremely easily. |
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#860645
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she rejected subaru first though |
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Afezeria
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@#860645
I think that is referred to the fact that Rem rejected Subaru's invintation of running away to some countryside. |
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cloud8100
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hehe, my sister watched the first episode of Re:Zero (she isn't really into it at the moment so I told her to watch up to episode 7 at least) and she said the only character she liked so far was Subaru, and also Puck. . Not that many characters are properly introduced in the first episode.
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NeverConvex
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While I agree that her love for him is anything but healthy, and I agree with Jacob's article that episode 18 as it currently stands does not look thematically satisfying, I still don't see why you'd look at the show and conclude that her motivations for loving him are unrealistic or implausible (if that's what you mean by 'compelling' here). He near single-handedly convinced her to see value in herself and her life in the Forest Mabeasts Arc, risking his own life in the process; that seems like a pretty compelling reason for her to become fixated on him to me (but this is orthogonal to and so does not undercut Jacob's argument about themes, and it does not suggest that their relationship is a healthy one, just well-explained). |
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chaccide
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I liked this column. I don't agree on some of the critical details that Jake skipped over to talk about Subaru, but I find myself nodding at most everything he did say about Subaru's progress up through episode 18.
You know, it doesn't really matter what the books say, or that there are skipped chapters that go into details that address failings he sees, or even that the anime and Subaru's character aren't done yet. This column is a perfectly valid reaction to this point in the story because the anime is what led us here, nothing else. And it feels like it completely undercut everything it built up to this point. That said, I'm glad to read in the comments that following this arc to the end will pay off in terms of character development so that I may see episode 18 in a different light. I hated how episode 18 ended, but have been surprised and impressed by the rest of the story, so I'm sticking with it until the end. |
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Iron Maw
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Correction that was supposed to be in ep 19 spoiler[After Subaru had once reaffirmed his love for Emilia to Rem at Flugel's Tree, she said that she wouldn't mind polygamy. Subaru only said he's accept it if Emilia was okay with it. Rem said she try her best to persuade Emilia then.] |
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Australian JRPG Gamer
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I wonder if he will ever realize he actually has a lot of physical strength.
I remember him beating up those 3 thugs in one of the earlier episodes. |
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zrnzle500
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He also got his ass kicked by that knight and Wilhelm so he isn't that strong. Plus he was killed by those same thugs in at least one of the loops so he wasn't that much stronger than them. |
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