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relyat08
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It's not all that different from advertising. If you are working on a 100% royalty based contract, you won't make any money just for handing the show over, but it is putting the show in front of a lot of eyeballs and each of those clicks will provide revenue that goes back to Japan. There is very often an up front risk like that in business. You might have to work in the red for a while before the audience builds to a size that puts it in the black, but you will still eventually make money. And just getting the show out there on as many streaming platforms as possible isn't going to cost very much at all for the producers.
Yeah, that would almost certainly go straight to the production committee. The only time where I could see that being different is if Crunchyroll sub-licensed the show directly through Sentai. In this case, and in the case of most CR shows, from the sounds of it, those royalties go straight back to Japan. |
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Zalis116
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Stuart Smith
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To be fair, I've never heard of a show getting another season due to Crunchyroll numbers, just Japanese BD sales and merchandise. He's not exactly wrong in saying buying BDs would be a more direct way of helping a show you like.
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ultimatemegax
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I've heard of shows not getting another season regardless of whatever metric you want to apply to this case. Saying "I've not heard of Crunchyroll numbers meaning anything" doesn't prove any point as their numbers are not public so we don't know how much each production is earning from their royalties. Their argument is "I buy Japanese BDs, which gives more to the animators!" which is mostly false in a lot of cases. It's just another middleman (JP video publisher) that may or may not give any money to the studio (which may or may not employ said animators) depending if the studio is on the production committee and gets money as allotted via contractual obligations. That poster may buy a series' JP BDs from a retailer (another middleman) who purchases said stock from the publisher and may not buy any more, therefore not affecting production at all. International rights via mostly streaming was the biggest growth in revenue in fiscal 2015 for the Japanese anime industry and was about half the size of all disc revenue in 2015. Saying "streaming doesn't given anything" is now false as companies like Crunchyroll and Chinese streaming companies have increased the amount they pay for licenses. On an individual level, perhaps you could argue that the amount *you* pay for a JP BD gives back more that what you pay for a Crunchyroll subscription. However, that ignores that you are only one person and unlikely to change anything on your own. Crunchyroll is still growing subscribers and can pay more than the vast majority of anime fans for a production, therefore it's better to support them and advertise the shows you like so that more of the money they take in goes to productions you like and can help support something more in that future. Crunchyroll has been on a couple of committees (directly financing productions) in the past two years and has been present in other productions. I used to believe that importing was "the one true way" to support productions similar to #825565, but the numbers don't support that anymore. |
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DerekL1963
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Do you have any actual proof that animators are paid residuals or royalties rather than by the piece or by the hour? And why would middle-men only take from the streaming and not from BD sales? |
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relyat08
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Importing is great, and if I truly love a show, I try to go that route, but it is totally off base to say that streaming doesn't help, or that buying the domestic release doesn't either. Those arguments almost always seem to be weak justification for piracy. "why would I stream legally? It hardly helps at all, I may as well just pirate" "I'll buy the import if I really love something, but legal streaming doesn't help them, so it's pointless to use it".
The growth of the streaming market and the industry revenue charts make it obvious that streaming matters, there is no logical reason not to do your part. Or to shame other people who are legally streaming, but just can't afford to buy imports or physical media on a regular basis. |
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MarshalBanana
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Modern 2001-present | Digital paint becomes standard old 1983-2000 | Anime as we know it comes to be, and Otaku enter the industry classic 1963-1982 | Astro Boy comes out and TV Anime begins Early days 19??-1962 | Pre-TV era, Astro Boy yet to give Anime it's unique look it could be broken down a lot smaller and into better pieces, but that covers the broad strokes. Last edited by MarshalBanana on Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:13 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Kadmos1
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An example of streaming numbers probably did count: A 10/10/2015 ANN article called "Ninja Slayer Anime's Japanese TV Debut Slated for Spring in 'Special Edition''' said the show had over 10 million Nico Nico views. Compare this to the 1564 avg./unit on Someanithing.com.
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zrnzle500
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^IIRC a TV version was always planned for Ninja Slayer
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relyat08
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Didn't it drop like 90% between the first and second episodes as well? I remember the initial reception of that being particularly rough. They really turned off anyone who wasn't into what it was selling very quickly. |
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Kadmos1
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relyat08, I don't know if it dropped that much. Even still, that is a good viewing amount.
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Polycell
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