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Cetais
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Ooooooh boooy, where to start? How about women are expected to stay at home once married? That Japan still hold dear traditional values that still do harm to women of today? That mariage is considered the biggest achevement in a women's life in Japan? ... Yeah, and I haven't even talk about how women are viewed in manga/anime, and how violating a women's right is considered "comedy" in so many shonen. [Edit]: removed unnecessary nested quotes. Please read the quoting guidelines. Errinundra. |
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PRican97
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What values are harmful to women? Where do you get the info for the marriage part? Ye don't start on the anime and manga thing because saying that would be way too stupid for anyone since that's not sexist at all. [Edit]: ditto. Errinundra. |
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Afezeria
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Can we please not have more discussion that spoke badly of another country? It's not like Japan is the only so called sexist nation around or whatever. Not to mention that it is derailing from the actual topic.
As for an actual response for the topic, well, at least their families cared enough to support their child in their career. Here's hoping for a better future for every animators someday. |
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Haterater
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@ Afezeria
But the discussing is on point about how a female animator could be effected by current gender problems that Japan is facing. Like how female workers delay having a family to focus on their career, this type of pay and conditions is further challenging them that that idea is can be out of the question. Much more info out there about these types of issues. |
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Megiddo
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That's just not true. Hell, just a few years ago the prime minister of Japan made a big public speech to the nation about how important women in the workforce are for the future economic development of Japan. One of the biggest issues facing Japan for young working parents right now is a crisis of childcare/daycare availability. That needs to be dealt with before increasing the amount of kids needing childcare. |
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Afezeria
Posts: 817 Location: Malaysia, Kuantan. |
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Well, I'm kinda lost it there but please don't assume I'm committing censorship or anything. You guys can continue talking about this and I will stay out of the way. |
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Usagi-kun
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It is indeed proof that anime is a labor of love. With these living conditions, potential stress to family and social relationships, how could anyone doubt they are chasing their dreams? As a consumer, I'll support them any way I can. I can make a joke by saying I am eating Ramen six days a week to afford Aniplex releases, but for an actual anime animator, it puts the situation in a completely different dimension.
Damn. 
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Jose Cruz
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So per hour they are the worst paid people in Japan.
 They are currently cheaper (thanks to the devaluated yen) than Brazilian factory workers actually (who cost their employees about 15,000 dollars a year).
I guess that one reason why animators make so little money is that millions of people love animation so that they are willing to work for low wages in exchange for doing what they love (in economic terms, supply of labor for animation is very large while demand is very low). |
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Sakagami Tomoyo
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And as we all know, when a politician makes a speech, everyone in the nation abandons any long-held views that are contrary to the speech.
Well, it's kind of hard to talk about a specific instance of gender disparity in the workplace without also talking about sexism in the society in general. |
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Jose Cruz
Posts: 1773 Location: South America |
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Well, we can see that 70% of the Japanese animation industry labor force is female helps to explain why cuteness is so dominant in the medium.
 I mean, anime is a pretty feminine medium these days: even many male characters behave in a more feminine way compared to Western fiction. And the fact that there are more than 2 girls for every guy working in an animation studio helps to explain some of that femininity very much present in Japanese animation.
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Alan45
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@Jose Cruz
They didn't actually say that 69% of all animators are female. They said that that percentage of the people who responded were. In order to know how representative that was you would have to know how they sent out the questionnaires and what the response rate was. In order to know the percentage of animators who are female or male you would probably need information from a representative selection of studios. Regardless of the accuracy of that percentage, the appearance of a series is set by the source material, director, character designer and key animators. The young animators they surveyed only get to draw what they are told to. |
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Gatherum
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It's the result of society-wide expectation. You can posit the suggestion that most women in Japan, on an individual level, want to be married and become you're so-called traditional house wife. And you might be right. But why do they want that? The answer is simple: Because what individuality, maturity, and personal responsibility they are taught is given to them in that context. "Grow up and cultivate those qualities so that you can find a nice man, settle down, have children, and take care of the house." Such a thing is not necessarily said directly, and therein lies the issue: It is not an overt thing. In fact, social disparities rarely are these days, and that includes racism, rape culture, etc. It's a subversive element in a system struggling to progress, and considering not only Japanese, but far eastern (Confucian) traditions and virtue, they are having a far more difficult time of it relative to western societies. It is not that it is "wrong" for a woman to be a housewife; hell, there are plenty of women in the States who want that very thing in spite of knowing full well that there are other options for them (though it's still not ideal, considering the wage disparity). It is wrong that they are expected to do so, and that goes regardless of what kind of men they end up with. And, fudge you about that anime and manga bit. The objectification and fetishisation of women in the medium is so deep-seated that the only reason that the western fandom puts up with it is because they, like this one...
...are afraid that seeing and criticizing another culture for what it clearly is constitutes bigotry or insensitivity. Or just because it's the source of their favourite medium, and therefore is somehow above reproach. How many goddamn times do they need to come out with another harem featuring cookie-cutter archetypes of females practically worshipping the dick of some worthless kid before we start to see the problematic pattern? How many shōnen works do they need to write featuring females as "major" characters whose sole contribution to the plot is standing on a sideline somewhere, rooting for the "classic" manly man of a hero before the community finally gets tired of it? How many close-up's of panty shots, boob-jiggling animations, and scenes in which a hapless fudge of a guy happens to trip over his own damn feet and just so happens to land in the class rep's gigantic tits, do we have to have? Just sayin', man: If you can't see any of that, then I don't know how anybody can help you. And I'm pretty sure I'm just scratching the surface. As for the gender statistics, I actually found that rather surprising. As other people have noted, it could just be the sample, but it makes me wonder: Is there a trend in Japan towards women getting into the industry? Being honest, and perhaps cynically, I envisioned a more male-dominated scenario. But then, I can't name a female director, so it guess it probably still is. Those wages, though, are insufferable! I was making more than this by the time I transitioned out of the U.S. Army as an unmarried Specialist without kids, pay grade E-4. To be clear, that's an annual salary of about USD$29,000, pay raises for time in service included. It's chump change, but then, I was also housed and fed, and chose not to drive a car. I feel for these people. I get that passion work is passion work, but I would like to see it become more sustainable. |
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ryoukosan245
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Cultural differences, deal with it. |
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Afezeria
Posts: 817 Location: Malaysia, Kuantan. |
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@Gatherum : You are taking it way above porportion. I'm merely suggesting the idea of respecting another people's country and recommend avoiding another senseless board of hatred and future speculation that would hit way off the grid. I'm not blind against the so called sexism or whatsoever, hell I'm old enough to know what the hell is really going on over there and what kind of recurring themes that usually popped out in anime but I don't really want to give a shit because it's entertainment, you have the option to leave it or watch so. Of course discussing about whatever social problems in Japan or any other country is everyone's freedom but in all my experiences reading threads about this sort of topic, it always ended up going sideways and of full of assertion like "Only in Japan", as if the country is so goddamn special that there's no place else from which could thought of possessing similar traits. Mind you, those things in anime don't represent almost everything in reality Japan as a whole and only served as escapism, but I guess you should know such thing. I'm leaving it at that because I ain't a no go in debating and I don't want to involve in shit like this.
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Sakagami Tomoyo
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It's definitely just scratching the surface. It's not to say that anime and manga that are relatively progressive don't exist, but even those still have some assumptions and stereotypes and pandering.
Well, there's Yamada Naoko, but of the dozen or so directors I can think of off the top of my head, she's the only woman, so I think so.
Look, no, there are things that you can't just dismiss as "cultural differences". Child marriage, foot binding, female genital mutilation, those are just some of the more extreme things that one could say are down to cultural differences, but still shouldn't be tolerated. |
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