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Kimiko_0
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:08 pm
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But aren't region restrictions usually meant to keep people from buying cheaper alternatives? Japanese releases are the most expensive in the world though. Why would they want to keep people from buying a more expensive release?
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DeTroyes
Joined: 30 May 2016
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:14 pm
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relyat08 wrote: | Eh, normally I'd agree with this, but the number of people importing ridiculously expensive JP BDs is a pretty tiny number, and not very likely to effect their local distributor in most cases. |
You'd be surprised what some might or might not consider to be "significant factors" when lawyers are involved. Doing this closes off one avenue of potential objections when negotiating/selling rights. Even if it means only a few thousand dollars difference, its something Avex can do with negligible effort for potentially a slightly more positive gain.
Avex probably views this all as just a way to strengthen their brand and give them more control over its sales. Time will tell if they are right.
relyat08 wrote: | I hate to do it, but this is the very reason that I download torrents of every show that I like for archival purposes. I can't rely on there being a physical release for too many of my favorites. I buy JP releases regularly, but if I can't even do that in some cases now, that's too many shows that I'd have to leave out of my collection. |
Might I recommend Malaysian DVD & BD releases? They are licensed products, always have English options (subtitles if nothing else), and are nearly all released as Region 0 product (meaning they can play anywhere in the world). I have several sets and picture quality is pretty good (tho they do try to cram as many episodes as they can on each disc). Plus they tend to have a lot of series that are generally out of print in the US and elsewhere.
Kimiko_0 wrote: | But aren't region restrictions usually meant to keep people from buying cheaper alternatives? Japanese releases are the most expensive in the world though. Why would they want to keep people from buying a more expensive release? |
1) Music CDs are not region restricted. They can be played on any CD player anywhere in the world. If this is more about the music (which I agree makes sense), then this move is quite logical from a bottom-line perspective.
2) All-region DVD players are pretty common. You can get them just about anywhere. Heck, I've seen them at major chain stores.
(ADDENDUM: IMHO the whole region-restrictions thing has become a joke.)
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Ojamajo LimePie
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:29 pm
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Avex has several things available for purchase on the US iTunes store. I found the Yuri on Ice soundtrack and the Osomatsu-san OP & ED singles with just a cursory search.
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relyat08
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:51 pm
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DeTroyes wrote: |
relyat08 wrote: | I hate to do it, but this is the very reason that I download torrents of every show that I like for archival purposes. I can't rely on there being a physical release for too many of my favorites. I buy JP releases regularly, but if I can't even do that in some cases now, that's too many shows that I'd have to leave out of my collection. |
Might I recommend Malaysian DVD & BD releases? They are licensed products, always have English options (subtitles if nothing else), and are nearly all released as Region 0 product (meaning they can play anywhere in the world). I have several sets and picture quality is pretty good (tho they do try to cram as many episodes as they can on each disc). Plus they tend to have a lot of series that are generally out of print in the US and elsewhere. |
Interesting. I wasn't aware of this. I buy a bit from the UK, South Korea, and occasionally Australia, but haven't gotten anything from Malaysia. I do care quite a lot for video quality though, so putting a lot on a single disc might be a deal breaker.
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Megiddo
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:09 pm
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Malaysia is known hub for bootleg anime DVDs/CDs/etc and has been for a long, long time now.
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DeTroyes
Joined: 30 May 2016
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:11 pm
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relyat08 wrote: | Interesting. I wasn't aware of this. I buy a bit from the UK, South Korea, and occasionally Australia, but haven't gotten anything from Malaysia. I do care quite a lot for video quality though, so putting a lot on a single disc might be a deal breaker. |
I thought the same thing too, but picture quality has been surprisingly good. At least on the sets I've purchased (Gundam AGE, Toradora, Blood +, to name a few).
Try one and see what you think.
Megiddo wrote: | Malaysia is known hub for bootleg anime DVDs/CDs/etc and has been for a long, long time now. |
*shrug* So is most of the far east. The ones I've been picking up all appear to have licensing information on them, including various tags.
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Megiddo
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:15 pm
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If all I cared about for my physical media was picture quality then I'd just download the anime and burn it. Buying bootleg copies is just giving money to people who are profiting off other people's hard work. As for the Malaysia government stickers, it's notorious that they will be put the stickers on anything without any sort of sifting process.
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Hoppy800
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:21 pm
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Avex doesn't like money then, best not to support blatant isolationist corporate tyranny like them.
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michaeltanzer
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:29 pm
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Yeah it's all because of Shinzo Abe and Donald Trump!
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Agent355
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:33 pm
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Ojamajo LimePie wrote: | Avex has several things available for purchase on the US iTunes store. I found the Yuri on Ice soundtrack and the Osomatsu-san OP & ED singles with just a cursory search. |
That supports the music theory, although if they really wanted their music to reach North America, they'll need a wider reach--at least Spotify and Amazon Digital Music store as well as iTunes.
luffypirate85 wrote: |
I've been taking a break from BD collecting... As much as I'd like to jump on these brand new titles (especially that ice skating one) I've recently relocated with my family and the hospital I'm working at doesn't pay me as much as I'd anticipated they would. That and we are expecting our second child... I'll stick to streaming for now. |
Congratulations! I recommend binging as many series while you can now. It's hard to read subs when you're bleary eyed from being up all night with a newborn!
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Hoppy800
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:35 pm
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michaeltanzer wrote: | Yeah it's all because of Shinzo Abe and Donald Trump! |
WTF, no this is just corporate tyranny by Avex, Abe and Trump have nothing to do with this.
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michaeltanzer
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:35 pm
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Yeah, but, how are they going to do that?
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Zoneflare
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:42 pm
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Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. I don't know how many discs were being shipped over seas but they will definitely see a larger decline in sales. Bad business decision indeed.
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HeeroTX
Joined: 15 Jul 2002
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:44 pm
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DeTroyes wrote: | You'd be surprised what some might or might not consider to be "significant factors" when lawyers are involved. Doing this closes off one avenue of potential objections when negotiating/selling rights. Even if it means only a few thousand dollars difference, its something Avex can do with negligible effort for potentially a slightly more positive gain. |
While "anything is possible" (especially with lawyers), this an argument I'd really need to see to believe. Considering how hard Japan has been trying to fight reverse importation and (as others have said) how wide the variance is between Japanese prices and other regions for this kind of media, I really can't imagine ANY licenser putting that up as an argument to try to drive down licensing costs. Heck, US licensers have a MUCH better argument that Japanese attempts to prevent reverse-importing (namely, the delays they sometimes force on releases) is a MUCH bigger negative to buyer interest (preventing purchases during the "craze" period) than any people who actually buy the Japanese release. ESPECIALLY for Japanese DVDs which are still in a separate region from US players. (granted, BDs don't have that problem at least)
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epicwizard
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:12 pm
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KH91 wrote: | Before anyone complains about this, you should feel lucky that the folks in Japan even share their work with the rest of the world. Not that the titles mentioned are soul crushing or anything. Just a reminder. |
Exactly. If Japanese licensors wanted to, they could've still retained the mind set that their anime series aren't marketable in the West and therefore barely license them out there. Animated TV shows from China and South Korea suffer through this.
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