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NEWS: Yuri!!! on Ice Voted as Tokyo Anime Awards' Animation of the Year


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SHD



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:18 am Reply with quote
Samiamiam wrote:
SHD wrote:
Rivailloli wrote:

Man, people always overreact to these things. It's not a "horrible" list, it's a list that reflects different tastes than yours in cartoons. Why is this always the reaction when women vote for stuff? It's not like people flood the comments on polls that men voted in more with 'there's so much better stuff, why didn't they vote for what I liked?!'

Stupid whining about "fujoshi" aside, frankly the list makes me roll my eyes, and I say this as someone who is 1) a woman, 2) a "fujoshi" and 3) liked some of the shows on the list.

Sure, it's a popularity poll (likely rigged, too) but nevertheless it is grating to see yet another "Best Anime" type list which seems to cater to a rather specific taste, while other types of anime (including some really good ones) are either ranked really low on the list, or missing completely. (And again, I did like a number of those shows, hell, I loved Boueibu, but I wouldn't consider it as a contenstant for "anime of the year".) Also at this point I'm really developing a hype backlash for YOI. *shrug*

Rivailloli wrote:
Also YOI >>>>> anything from last year.

Not if you ask me. YOI was actually one of my biggest disappointments, even though I belong to the exact target demographic they were trying to appeal to, and I had expected to love it.


Hot tip: if you put the word "fujoshi" in parathesis, you are probably not a fujo. Unless hardcore BL is more your tastes (and it is for some fujos who like Super Lovers over YoI for those reason)

Sorry to break it to you, but I've been into BL before it was called BL and before the word "fujoshi" even existed. I bought my first yaoi doujinshi in the '90s and watched (and hated) Gravitation as it aired. I just used quotation marks because I don't like how the word is used in the English language fandom and I usually try to avoid it.

(Btw it is kind of cute that you call something like Super Lovers "hardcore"...)


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Starbuckets



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:20 am Reply with quote
CrowLia wrote:
^Sure, but a 7k average is considered a plain "success", not the massive hit that its popularity in these polls would suggest it is. For comparison, the first volume of Yuri on Ice has so far sold 70k, ten times more. And other recent series like UtaPri or Tourabu have also proved notoriously more successful -both selling in their first volume, more than both Joker Game volumes combined-. Both also belong to massively successful franchises, yet they're not even in the top 5. That's where people's confusion's coming from
Weren't there rumors about 2chan trying (and apprently failing) to rig the poll by mass voting for Joker Game in order to prevent Yuri!! on Ice from winning?

I didn't check the archived threads myself so I don't know how true it is, but it might be a plausible explanation for Joker Game's (admittedly very surprising) success in this poll.

edit: iirc Joker Game average 8k, not 7.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:37 am Reply with quote
Okay... maybe it's time that someone conducted this poll among people who are actively involved in the industry and they have some level of experience as to be able to make an accurate distinction between the "good", "bad", "boring" and "fun". Maybe then those polls will earn some level of credibility.

For me, yes, a fujoshi, YOI was something really fun. It had been a long time since I got so excited about a series, and I felt like finally, something I was looking and asking for many years among the anime series I was watching, took form. Not a stereotyped and cliche BL story, whose service is only to titilate you (like porn does), but a fun series that actually makes some effort with its characters and their development. The fujoshi audience is so STARVED for something remotely decent, it was completely understandable that something like YOI would blow their mind.

BUT, that doesn't automatically make YOI a good series, it just makes it a fun series. I enjoyed it but I will accept almost any kind of critisism about it, because most of the bad things I've heard about it I too think are true. The ending was very dissappointing, the huge cast ultimately wasn't able to have much meaningful interactions during only 12 episodes and trying to squeeze in all the perfomarnces resulted in some really awful and cringeworthy animation sequences. The character development also had potential but it was mostly left to the audience's imagination, just like the nature of their relationships.

You know how I think YOI was really made? After the three first episodes were written, the writers just logged into tumblr and said: "Let's see what would the audience want to watch next? Let's make a list and check everything out in order!"

You can't convince me it happened elseway. It explains everything.
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crosswithyou



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:37 am Reply with quote
Chocoreto wrote:
The character development also had potential but it was mostly left to the audience's imagination, just like the nature of their relationships.

You know how I think YOI was really made? After the three first episodes were written, the writers just logged into tumblr and said: "Let's see what would the audience want to watch next? Let's make a list and check everything out in order!"

You can't convince me it happened elseway. It explains everything.

I'm fairly sure they were going the "show not tell" approach, which is why a lot was left up to the audience to interpret. During the talk show before the all-night viewing, I forget who it was but I believe it was either Kubo sensei or Suwabe who mentioned that they will never give a straight answer if asked questions regarding Yuri and Victor's relationship (eg. did they kiss? etc).

I'm also quite sure that the first three episodes were written before the series aired. While later episodes of the series were definitely changed, I'm fairly certain nearly the first half were planned out before the series began airing. The last episode we know for sure was changed to include Stefan as a commentator. It was mentioned during the talk show that they changed it to include him and Suwabe had to come back into the studio to record the lines where Victor interacted with Stefan.
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Stuart Smith



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:01 am Reply with quote
CrowLia wrote:
^Sure, but a 7k average is considered a plain "success", not the massive hit that its popularity in these polls would suggest it is. For comparison, the first volume of Yuri on Ice has so far sold 70k, ten times more. And other recent series like UtaPri or Tourabu have also proved notoriously more successful -both selling in their first volume, more than both Joker Game volumes combined-. Both also belong to massively successful franchises, yet they're not even in the top 5. That's where people's confusion's coming from


Its not that confusing when people remember disk sales are the minority of a fandom. Most fans simply watch a show on TV. Buying BDs are for hardcore collectors only. or people who want bonuses like event tickets. Disk sales are not representative of a shows overall fandom or popularity.

-Stuart Smith
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Proud2bPnoy



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:05 am Reply with quote
The talks of those who're saying that the poll is rigged or random shz lmao is too dem high, Japanese girls hacking an online poll system wtf(??). Ofcourse they didn't bother to read the whole thing, I mean Tokyo Anime Awards will be held this year at Ikebukuro ... I dunno about everyone's Japanese knowledge but it's like the opposite isle of Akifapbara so it's understandable why d list's full of rainbows... and imagine all those TAA poster ads in every corner of Ikeburo informing every fangirl passerbys, never do selfie and use Twitter to inform evry fandoms to vote.

Seems like the Americans are questioning the Japanese anime standards, it must be a shocker for dem y Joker Game ranks high when they dropped it after 2 eps, I dunno JG is pretty popular with women in Japan just look at those nsfw fics and DJ's(no I will not link it).

Stuart Smith wrote:

Disk sales are not representative of a shows overall fandom or popularity.
-Stuart Smith


I agree bruh, overall investment of the franchise(promotions, affiliates, merchs etc) +social media power is the true representative of a show's popularity not just the disk sales. In this case it's understandable why YOI's popularity is a no joke, a whole prefecture is promoting it and it dominates the social media rankings, slash all those etc sales.
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Sammy: Oh, I see. Collections. 'Cus it didn't seem to do that well as singles. Thanks.
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