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NEWS: Japan's Animation Blu-ray Disc Ranking, March 13-19

ultimatemegax wrote:

Afezeria wrote: Could someone inform me what constitute a decent amount of sales for a particular title? From which it means that the series managed to make enough without being considered as a flop. The honest answer is "it depends." There's so many factors and other types of revenue that go into anime production that get ignored. These numbers are pure estimates from Oricon based off of their partner stores; they're not the amount that are actually sold to consumers since Oricon doesn't track literally every store. A fair amount of company online stores don't get tracked; it's really Aniplex's Aniplex+ store that's the only big one that sends information to Oricon. Besides, these don't account for merchandise, international rights, music sales, music rights sales (like to games/other programs), events, and so forth. Using only these numbers is ignorant of everything else that's out there. It's why only trolls use them to insult shows they don't like.

Ignoring these sales is just as ignorant since the sales ARE important as they basically give you a base level of how well the series did. It's like saying that just looking at the gross for a movie is completely ignorant - it's not, but it's certainly not the whole picture. You are correct on the whole but your last sentence is just pointless, since this is about the only information that we can get it is obviously the thing which people use to understand how well a series did.

The only other thing you really get is the manga/LN sales - which similarly you aren't going to get the whole picture, and the end of the year totals - same problem.

So again, take the numbers with a pinch of salt and keep in mind that many anime are made as advertisements - so looking to see how big the sales spike is in LN/Manga is useful. But saying that the numbers mean nothing is, in itself, ignorant.

Not a bad number for Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid with 2,330...

Good sales can definitely make a success, but low reported sales don't break one.

Mr. Oshawott wrote:

Not a bad number for Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid with 2,330...

Yep, it is on it's way to become the worst selling KyoAni-show.

Mr. Oshawott wrote:

Not a bad number for Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid with 2,330...

No. Those are bad numbers, especially if you consider that it is an otaku show made by fan favorite studio Kyoto Animation.

In China, it's quite popular. But in Japan its popularity stems mostly from Kanna because she's a loli, etc etc. I’ve seen Japanese comments say how they don’t like Kobayashi since she’s too manly and not moe, or that the show tries to talk down to them with all those heavy-ish themes about family, xenophobia and understanding.

Or... yuri just doesn't sell well. Idk. I went to pixiv and there's so few yuri fanart of Kobayashi x Tohru or Riko x Kanna despite there's more than 5k fanart in pixiv. If anything, I found sexualized Kanna fanart with some random male OC.

Please point out where I said the numbers mean nothing. I said "these numbers ignore everything else," pointed out that they are not all inclusive of all copies sold or shipped, and then pointed out other revenue sources as someone asked what constitutes a "decent amount of sales". I said "Using only these numbers is ignorant," something that you echoed multiple times in your own post while chiding me for something I did not say.

...if you don't count Munto or Phantom World...

It's lucky enough to have two upcoming yuri anime in the future like Citrus and NtR, which is somewhat like a god blessed miracle at this point. Though, I fear that those title wouldn't be received well and there's going to be an utter lacking amount of anime with yuri relationship as theme being produced in the future, just like how there's not a single serious horror anime at all.

Megiddo wrote:

...if you don't count Munto or Phantom World...

Musaigen first disc sold close to 3k.

I've actually noticed that on Pixiv as well. Lots of Lucoa x Shouta stuff too. But yeah, very little yuri fanart at all. I guess they are a bit more conservative in general. Now that I think about it, there isn't THAT much of Reina and Kumiko either, there is a decent bit, but there is also a fair share of Kumiko x whatever the male student's name was, and Reina x Taki-sensei.
Interesting that anyone there thinks the themes are talking down to them? Does that mean they disagree with the representation of family and that xenophobia is bad? I guess that might also have something to do with their conservatism, but still seems strange considering other nicely selling shows in the past.

Someone up there really need to edit their post.

And, just as sad as it is (because I'm a fan of the material), yuri stuff isn't actually that famous over at Japan from what I could see, and there's much more yaoi fan around, which is not something that I've preferred. It's lucky enough to have two upcoming yuri anime in the future like Citrus and NtR, which is somewhat like a god blessed miracle at this point. Though, I fear that those title wouldn't be received well and there's going to be an utter lacking amount of anime with yuri relationship as theme being produced in the future, just like how there's not a single serious horror anime at all.

Yaoi is an older genre by about 15 years and has a very focused niche (straight/bi women). Yuri is a newer genre, and has the intriguing problem of not having a unified audience, so what appeals to the straight men, straight women and lesbian may differ significantly, which splits an already niche audience up further.

Maria-sama ga Miteru, for example, leans toward romantic drama for female viewers to sympathize with while Valkyire Drive Mermaid uses its yuri content to entice male viewers with fanservice. It's a bit difficult to satisfy both genders of the viewers. Yuri themes don’t consistently appeal to a large female audience, nor do they appeal to a large male audience. In effect, not only is the audience for yuri is smaller than the audience for yaoi; it’s also splintered.