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AksaraKishou



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 3:10 pm Reply with quote
8 episodes in and people are still wondering about the "incest" thing.... OMG, it's happening. Deal with it and enjoy the ride. If you don't like it, just go watch something else. What's the point of you (people who don't like it) coming here and other places, every week, just to complain about fiction incest?
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 4:01 pm Reply with quote
AksaraKishou wrote:
8 episodes in and people are still wondering about the "incest" thing.... OMG, it's happening. Deal with it and enjoy the ride. If you don't like it, just go watch something else. What's the point of you (people who don't like it) coming here and other places, every week, just to complain about fiction incest?


If you bothered to have a look you are the ONLY person to have commented after the most recently broadcast episode. With the previous episode it was 4. Basically comments have dried up. Most people have decided that this show which sexualizes a pre-teen is too squicky and left.
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If you bothered to have a look you are the ONLY person to have commented after the most recently broadcast episode. With the previous episode it was 4. Basically comments have dried up. Most people have decided that this show which sexualizes a pre-teen is too squicky and left.


"Most people" yet it continues to be one of the most watched non-sequels of the season. Actually as of this moment it's the most popular non sequel anime on CR. So obviously the content isn't turning away the majority of watchers.

Regardless, comment sections of almost every show dry up around this part of the season. Generally at about episode 6 they have already devolved to the same 2-3 people having conversations regarding the material.
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 4:41 pm Reply with quote
ScruffyKiwi wrote:
AksaraKishou wrote:
8 episodes in and people are still wondering about the "incest" thing.... OMG, it's happening. Deal with it and enjoy the ride. If you don't like it, just go watch something else. What's the point of you (people who don't like it) coming here and other places, every week, just to complain about fiction incest?


If you bothered to have a look you are the ONLY person to have commented after the most recently broadcast episode. With the previous episode it was 4. Basically comments have dried up. Most people have decided that this show which sexualizes a pre-teen is too squicky and left.


I wasn't talking about here, ANN, in particular. But forums in general. Just posted here because the reviewer makes it his task to always mention it. Also, if i had any problems with shows sexualizing pre-teens, i wouldn't be here. This is fiction. My ceiling for anything when it comes to fiction is pretty much non-existent. If it's good and entertaining then i'm game. I only leave when something starts to become dumb, and so far that hasn't happened.
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"We've reached full-on harem incest fantasy," it seems to say, "If you're not here for that, you can quit watching and pretend the show ended here." Sometimes savvy execution assists in delivering such divisive material.


I don't think think Eromanga Sensei is that divisive, at least in Japan.
Looking at the numbers in Japanese streaming sites, this is the show of the season for most people.
1st place overall.
1st place in all age groups.
1st place in males.
4th place in females.

Only in western sites and blogs is that divisive.
With great LN sales, the only thing remaining is to see BD sales.

Lets hope for a second season soon.
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 5:31 pm Reply with quote
TasteyCookie wrote:
ScruffyKiwi wrote:
If you bothered to have a look you are the ONLY person to have commented after the most recently broadcast episode. With the previous episode it was 4. Basically comments have dried up. Most people have decided that this show which sexualizes a pre-teen is too squicky and left.


"Most people" yet it continues to be one of the most watched non-sequels of the season. Actually as of this moment it's the most popular non sequel anime on CR. So obviously the content isn't turning away the majority of watchers.

Regardless, comment sections of almost every show dry up around this part of the season. Generally at about episode 6 they have already devolved to the same 2-3 people having conversations regarding the material.


If you're talking about the US specifically, which is the only country Crunchyroll has released specific metrics for yet, that would actually be Akashic Records of Bastard etc etc., according to this map. That's not to say there isn't plenty of traffic for Eromanga-Sensei, but it's far from 1st non-sequel place (which would be 4th).
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 5:42 pm Reply with quote
JacobC wrote:
If you're talking about the US specifically, which is the only country Crunchyroll has released specific metrics for yet, that would actually be Akashic Records of Bastard etc etc., according to this map. That's not to say there isn't plenty of traffic for Eromanga-Sensei, but it's far from 1st non-sequel place (which would be 4th).


If you go to CR and view shows by popularity, Eromanga-Sensei is currently the most watched non-sequel or continuation. When I asked the staff last year at Anime Expo they said those rankings are determined by how many episodes have been watched by users in the past few days (they didn't specify how many days, so could be the last month, week, etc.) That map "--looks at the number of people watching the latest episode of currently-airing anime that began broadcast in April, the start of the spring season, on Crunchyroll."

At that time, Akashic was also above Eromanga-sensei on the popular list as well, and they generally switch between those 2 depending on if it's Tuesday-Friday or Saturday-Monday because of episode air dates.

Which also brings up the point that Akashic is extremely popular on CR, yet has very few comments about it, which was the point I was trying to make Razz
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 5:54 pm Reply with quote
TasteyCookie wrote:
JacobC wrote:
If you're talking about the US specifically, which is the only country Crunchyroll has released specific metrics for yet, that would actually be Akashic Records of Bastard etc etc., according to this map. That's not to say there isn't plenty of traffic for Eromanga-Sensei, but it's far from 1st non-sequel place (which would be 4th).


If you go to CR and view shows by popularity, Eromanga-Sensei is currently the most watched non-sequel or continuation. When I asked the staff last year at Anime Expo they said those rankings are determined by how many episodes have been watched by users in the past few days (they didn't specify how many days, so could be the last month, week, etc.) That map "--looks at the number of people watching the latest episode of currently-airing anime that began broadcast in April, the start of the spring season, on Crunchyroll."

At that time, Akashic was also above Eromanga-sensei on the popular list as well, and they generally switch between those 2 depending on if it's Tuesday-Friday or Saturday-Monday because of episode air dates.

Which also brings up the point that Akashic is extremely popular on CR, yet has very few comments about it, which was the point I was trying to make Razz


Ah, I figured that's what you were using. It uses the last 24+ hours ago or so as a metric, so while it's useful for determining what shows are more popular overall than others, stuff that's in the same row or two is hard to compare because whatever has aired most recently has a significant leg up on whatever's underneath it. The map is a little more useful for splitting the difference because you can look at the more populated states for an idea of what show takes the cake in areas with more users. In other words, Akashic Records is more popular than Eromanga Sensei if you really want to make a ranked list, but they're all much closer to each other in popularity ("all" meaning Granblue Fantasy, SukaSuka, etc.) than Clockwork Planet or The Royal Tutor. Traffic for viewership on editorial about this stuff runs similarly on ANN, easier and more useful to rank in brackets of "very popular," "popular," "middling," "niche interest," "no man's land," etc. than trying to put them in one ranked list.
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JacobC wrote:

Ah, I figured that's what you were using. It uses the last 24 hours or so as a metric, so while it's useful for determining what shows are more popular overall than others, stuff that's in the same row or two is hard to compare because whatever has aired most recently has a significant leg up on whatever's underneath it. The map is a little more useful for splitting the difference because you can look at the more populated states for an idea of what show takes the cake in areas with more users. In other words, Akashic Records is more popular than Eromanga Sensei if you really want to make a ranked list, but they're all much closer to each other in popularity ("all" meaning Granblue Fantasy, SukaSuka, etc.) than Clockwork Planet or The Royal Tutor. Traffic for viewership on editorial about this stuff runs similarly on ANN, easier and more useful to rank in brackets of "very popular," "popular," "middling," "niche interest," "no man's land," etc. than trying to put them in one ranked list.


Why not use something like youtube view count. If you add all views of all episodes so far, you can more or less rank the show.
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:11 pm Reply with quote
Jonny Mendes wrote:
JacobC wrote:

Ah, I figured that's what you were using. It uses the last 24 hours or so as a metric, so while it's useful for determining what shows are more popular overall than others, stuff that's in the same row or two is hard to compare because whatever has aired most recently has a significant leg up on whatever's underneath it. The map is a little more useful for splitting the difference because you can look at the more populated states for an idea of what show takes the cake in areas with more users. In other words, Akashic Records is more popular than Eromanga Sensei if you really want to make a ranked list, but they're all much closer to each other in popularity ("all" meaning Granblue Fantasy, SukaSuka, etc.) than Clockwork Planet or The Royal Tutor. Traffic for viewership on editorial about this stuff runs similarly on ANN, easier and more useful to rank in brackets of "very popular," "popular," "middling," "niche interest," "no man's land," etc. than trying to put them in one ranked list.


Why not use something like youtube view count. If you add all views of all episodes so far, you can rank the show.


Ha, that would be really inaccurate. You'd have to take into account inconsistent upload dates (because they're illegal, usually stolen FROM Crunchyroll encodes), inconsistent searchability (there are dozens of illegal copies, often under slightly obscured names to try and avoid takedowns), which brings up the issue of what shows have been actively taken down (usually the more popular ones) versus which ones managed to stay up by avoiding automated or purposeful takedowns, the fact that all these episodes are stratified across dozens of unrelated personal youtube channels, and so on and so forth through a dozen other issues with trying to gather data that way. Crunchyroll metrics aren't perfect for determining non-Asian-country anime viewership numbers and popularity, but it's definitely the best we've got if you're going to use one website's data to try and determine those things.
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JacobC wrote:

Ha, that would be really inaccurate. You'd have to take into account inconsistent upload dates (because they're illegal, usually stolen FROM Crunchyroll encodes), inconsistent searchability (there are dozens of illegal copies, often under slightly obscured names to try and avoid takedowns), which brings up the issue of what shows have been actively taken down (usually the more popular ones) versus which ones managed to stay up by avoiding automated or purposeful takedowns, the fact that all these episodes are stratified across dozens of unrelated personal youtube channels, and so on and so forth through a dozen other issues with trying to gather data that way. Crunchyroll metrics aren't perfect for determining non-Asian-country anime viewership numbers and popularity, but it's definitely the best we've got if you're going to use one website's data to try and determine those things.


Sorry, maybe i was not clear. What i was suggesting is something like the YouTube views count, but on the CR site. Like all the views of all episodes in the CR site.

Like on the anime discretion they had something like the metrics and statistics of the anime, like all views and were is popular, and the episode with the most views, etc. I'm sure they know how people views totals are.

But even looking at the CR map and the "Most popular" with some suspicion, I didn't know that Eromanga Sensei was so popular in CR because i never used the "Most popular" search there.
But still is interesting that a show consider so "divisive" on ANN and other western sites is so popular even in the west.

I know Eromanga Sensei is the most popular in Japanese streaming sites, but i didn't know about the good popularity in CR
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I'm not sure where the characters are going next week, whether they'll return to sort out this new conundrum with Sagiri present or stay on the island for another episode of The Elf Show.


I'm not sure where it will be, but considering the title, it will switch to Muramasa.

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There are a few funny twists on formula (Masamune not being able to swim was worth a chuckle), but for the most part, these bits fall into the same trap seen in shows like Saekano. Even if you're calling attention to the tropes you're acting out, the fact remains that you're still recreating them faithfully. Yeah, there's some goofy meta dialogue over the scene of Elf trying to coax Masamune into applying sunscreen to her back, but all the meta in the world can't paper over the fact that it's mostly there for people to see Elf taking her bikini top off.


For either Saekano or especially for this show, it is only really a trap if the intent is to appeal to those who aren't interested in those things, not that all fans of the genre don't care if it is too tropey. Some seem to think that parody of or meta jokes about the genre are intended to call out the tropes to appeal to those who don't care for them (which is not an unreasonable position) rather than as a wink to the fans that aren't bothered those tropes or fanservice. One might argue Saekano could broaden its appeal by calling them out and not indulging in them, but Eromanga-sensei? I don't think anyone who isn't on-board with the tropes and fanservice is still watching at this point (aside from those obligated to do so). As narrow as its pitch may seem, it is one of the most popular shows this season as has been discussed above, so trying to broaden its appeal seems unnecessary, both in terms of general audience and critics. The audience for this show isn't the kind to be deterred from watching it by critical panning, and some may be drawn to it because it was panned (not that that has happened for this show).
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some may be drawn to it because it was panned (not that that has happened for this show).

I doubt it's many people but as a fun tidbit this is actually happening. One of the larger anime youtubers Digibro and his friend BestGuyEver both absolutely hate this show and decided to do sort of mini podcasts about each episode after they air. A few people myself included are only following the show for the extra context when they trash it. Personally I'd have jumped ship after the 1st episode otherwise.
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^Not exactly what I was thinking of, but I didn't consider hatewatchers, which in a counterintuitive way are on board with seeing it. I mean you clearly don't like those parts , but if you didn't want to see it at all, you wouldn't be watching, even if for added context.

I was thinking of folks who see the (negative) reviews of the shows - usually fanservice and/or harem - and go "They don't like it, so I probably will".

Though back to hatewatching, I don't know that this show is the best for it. The visual production is the best that this sort of show will receive. You could certainly critique the writing, but the main complaint is of course the harem, fanservice, and especially the incest elements, the reaction to which reminds me of an exchange from Futurama, where after some of the characters recoil in disgust at a seedy porno shop owner admiting to videotaping the customers to blackmail later replies: "Hey, I'm a porno-dealing monster, what do I care what you think?". Yeah it grosses some people out, but you know what this is at this point, and the makers could care less about your opinion of them or their product, so what are you expecting? It is a more than reasonable reaction to have to the material, but I don't see the value in going over every instance of those elements in the show and expressing one's disgust at it. Though perhaps expecting the work of Digibro and their ilk for this and similar cases to be a genuine review and not a mere ventilation of their hatred for such fare is not reasonable on my part.
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zrnzle500 wrote:
For either Saekano or especially for this show, it is only really a trap if the intent is to appeal to those who aren't interested in those things, not that all fans of the genre don't care if it is too tropey. Some seem to think that parody of or meta jokes about the genre are intended to call out the tropes to appeal to those who don't care for them (which is not an unreasonable position) rather than as a wink to the fans that aren't bothered those tropes or fanservice.
I've argued that both shows aren't really parody, and that people are confusing the shows' sense of humor ("lol these silly tropes that we all know and love are bizarre when you think about them, aren't they?") with the shows' thematic core (which are most certainly not deconstructions of their genres). You could maybe argue that Saekano is a challenge to some aspects of the genre, but it's in no way rejecting it, least of all in the fanservice department. Eromanga Sensei isn't even close to being critical of anything but maybe mediocrity, as it feels like it's trying to distinguish itself on execution.
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