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Answerman - Is The "Netflix" Way Of Making Shows A Savior For The Anime Business?


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nDroae



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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 4:26 pm Reply with quote
I'm grateful that about 90% of my excitement for anime is for past anime that I haven't seen yet. Cue up Muse - Unsustainable.

slau783 wrote:
The title of the article on the front page is incorrect. It says "Answerman - Is Netflix A Salve For The Anime Business?" instead of Savior. It made no sense to me until I clicked and saw the real title.


I think they're both real titles, and that the title was edited at some point. Wiktionary, salve: "Any thing or action that soothes or heals."
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mangamuscle



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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 4:34 pm Reply with quote
Before people get too happy about Castlevania:

https://www.facebook.com/powerhouseanimation/posts/1532164740127870

“For the past 18 months we have been hard at work on a top secret project and we are so thrilled that we FINALLY get to share it with you all. Powerhouse Animation, along with our friends at Frederator Studios & Netflix, has been working on the brand new Netflix Original Series: CASTLEVANIA!”

If it took them 18 months to do four 30 (24?) minutes episodes, it will take years (and I do not mean one or two) for them to grow and be able to deliver a weekly 12 episodes series. If down the lane we discover that they also outsourced an important chunk of work to asia, then move the finish line from "years" to "probably never".

Even if discover that from those 18 months they only spent the last six doing the animation, that still is less than one episode per month.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 4:48 pm Reply with quote
I'm assuming that there is no union/guild/association that represents animation workers in Japan. Or if there is, it is obviously incredibly ineffective. The only way things will change in Japan is if the animation workers band together and basically say, "nobody will lift a finger until things change." I'm guessing the chances of that happening are basically zero.
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WingKing



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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 5:43 pm Reply with quote
Here are a couple of good articles related to this topic:

https://www.timeout.com/tokyo/film/the-future-of-digital-animation-in-japan (How Studio Colorido is trying to solve the overworked/underpaid problem by taking a different approach to anime production at their studio)

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/will-japans-creative-appeal-last (a look at the biggest issues/challenges facing Japan's ACG (anime, comics, & games) industry, with comments from industry pros on what needs to change)
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brankoburcksen



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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 5:59 pm Reply with quote
The scenario you described, Justin, where an anime producer pitches an idea in the early stages of development to Netflix already happened. It's Perfect Bones.

Last year, at Production I.G.'s Anime Expo panel, the rep talked about how Netflix came to them asking about anime they had in development and Perfect Bones was the one they picked. She commented how surprised she was at how complex the story was after reading the scripts for three episodes.

Despite playing a full trailer with Netflix logo and everything (after some issues getting the audio to work), which looked AMAZING, only I and one other person asked about it during the Q&A, and he was very hesitant to ask his question because the twenty or so other people in line only asked about the now released live-action Ghost in the Shell or the new FLCL.

I asked about the budget for the series, but the rep seemed to wave away my question that it had the normal budget.

Since the initial press release and AX there has not been any word on Perfect Bones, but it is easily the anime I am most curious about.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/netflix-continues-anime-push-perfect-869154
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 6:08 pm Reply with quote
Lynx Amali wrote:

@Agent:

Doesn't help LD is being made by fans too. They toss in references here and there for longtime fans of both shows. Kept Galra, had Shiro's scene in S2 or S1 be a shot for shot recreation of the original, etc.

Not sure what you mean by "doesn't help," the show seems to be doing fine as far as I can tell. It has a loyal fanbase online, and they've already announced another season. Whatever they're doing, its working.
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Agent355 wrote:

Not sure what you mean by "doesn't help," the show seems to be doing fine as far as I can tell. It has a loyal fanbase online, and they've already announced another season. Whatever they're doing, its working.


I have no idea why I typed "doesn't help." I meant it in a good way; like they grew up with the show so this is what they remember the show as, not what it actually was.

spoiler[I'd argue its better than GoLion at this point too. Well, it's lacking the whole "Robot pissed off God so they split him apart" thing the original show had going but that was basically the real only memorable thing about the show IMO. We'll see if they bring that back in later.]
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 10:15 pm Reply with quote
Lemonchest wrote:

Then again, the current anime streaming business model seems to rely on quantity over "quality" & I don't see CR etc being willing to pay more just because the producers spent more, & certainly not subscribers paying more to get fewer shows.


The problem here is the fact the Japanese loves to churn out stuff that maybe it will not be a sucess, pet projects, or in the worst case, stuff who, in other countries like the U.S., would could get both the director and anyone behind the whole process sued due to content, or lack of accountability.

Heck, I would bet many of those series could have being funded as a way to laundering money for criminal groups like the Yakuza, taking into account how the yakuza has the control of some industries, like porn, wrestling and gambling.
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mangamuscle



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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 10:36 pm Reply with quote
luisedgarf wrote:
The problem here is the fact the Japanese loves to churn out stuff that maybe it will not be a sucess


You seem to think that everybody has a crystal ball that can predict with 100% accuracy which releases will be a flop and which will be winners. If japan had that kind of knowledge then Sony Pictures would not release flops like the Ghostbuster reboot. The simple truth is that "ever hand a winner, and every hand's a loser", anime studiios need to release their series to the public to know how good they will be received by the public.

But you are not alone, many people say year round "They need to produce less anime to increase salaries" thinking they can pick clear winners, forgetting series like Attack on Titan or YoI were a total surprise and many supposed winners languish in obscurity after a few episodes.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 4:18 am Reply with quote
I just hope CygamesPictures goes well. CygamesPictures itself is the anime branch of Cygames and was formed for the purpose of "making change to the anime industry (in Japanese, sorry)", by means of better wages and better time management according to the interview. So sad they are just recruiting people currently, and there are no news come out for more than a year.

Jonny Mendes wrote:

Looking of what is coming out of Chinese anime made in Japanese studios i don't think that is that good of a solution.


That reminds me of Reikenzan the anime series, arguably the worst anime in its season according to viewer's poll of Niconico live.

Jonny Mendes wrote:

Is more like the increase in manga/LN sales is more important than streaming numbers. Publishers don't mind cover the costs and loses if sales of their mangas and LN go up.


The current model of production committee anime is making the show into an advertisement so that people are willing to buy the original work. There are many manga that sale more than a million copies in the respective year that their adapted anime are released. SInce the publishers (and toy makers) make better out of this model, I hope they treat anime companies better.

WingKing wrote:
Here are a couple of good articles related to this topic

Also thanks for the links.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 6:01 am Reply with quote
Seriously, if they plan on streaming it in 190+ countries and potentially attracting a large fan base, they should have given an update on "Perfect Bones" by now. Also, try something that many people prefer, Netflix. That is, weekly simulcasts. That is what Sentai, Daisuki, Hulu, CR, Amazon, and Funi are better at.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 6:07 am Reply with quote
Gemnist wrote:
I just hope that American companies can produce more shows like this Castlevania show. I haven't played the games, but the trailer gives off a sense of maturity that other anime-influenced cartoons like Avatar and to a lesser extent ThunderCats 2011 were never able to achieve. The biggest problem with cartoons is not that they are for kids, since there are numerous shows that contradict this, but the fact that they are pretty much all comedies. Having shows like Castlevania would add much-needed variety to the cartoon industry, and I hope this show is successful enough to warrant such a change.

Actually, one of my problems with American-produced anime for American audiences is that they tend to fall on the over the top dark & edgy end of the spectrum, equating maturity with violence and, very often, sex appeal (for male viewers, of course), much like some companies did in the '90s. And then they take themselves too seriously, ending up really pretentious. So personally I'm rather wary of these productions.

Also, while the current anime industry obviously has its huge issues, I'm always shaking my head at people pretending that there are no good anime made anymore. Maybe if you only go for the most mainstream stuff and never look further than what everyone is talking about. But I've been watching anime since the '90s and so far there hasn't been a single season where I didn't find anything worthwhile.
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kpk



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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 8:22 am Reply with quote
brankoburcksen wrote:
The scenario you described, Justin, where an anime producer pitches an idea in the early stages of development to Netflix already happened. It's Perfect Bones.

Last year, at Production I.G.'s Anime Expo panel, the rep talked about how Netflix came to them asking about anime they had in development and Perfect Bones was the one they picked. She commented how surprised she was at how complex the story was after reading the scripts for three episodes.

Despite playing a full trailer with Netflix logo and everything (after some issues getting the audio to work), which looked AMAZING, only I and one other person asked about it during the Q&A, and he was very hesitant to ask his question because the twenty or so other people in line only asked about the now released live-action Ghost in the Shell or the new FLCL.

I asked about the budget for the series, but the rep seemed to wave away my question that it had the normal budget.

Since the initial press release and AX there has not been any word on Perfect Bones, but it is easily the anime I am most curious about.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/netflix-continues-anime-push-perfect-869154


Wait, you've seen ‫footage from Perfect Bones? I really hope that means we'll get it soon. How did it look like?
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 12:26 pm Reply with quote
Kadmos1 wrote:
Seriously, if they plan on streaming it in 190+ countries and potentially attracting a large fan base, they should have given an update on "Perfect Bones" by now. Also, try something that many people prefer, Netflix. That is, weekly simulcasts. That is what Sentai, Daisuki, Hulu, CR, Amazon, and Funi are better at.


Because it's their JOB. Ie., they've worked long enough in anime to know how to do it.
(Except for Amazon, of course, and Hulu at least has experience with simulcasting current US shows.)

Netflix got one or two anime series to promote a demographic appeal to their new "exclusive original series", and one of them caught on, so they tried getting a few more.
Why are we talking about Netflix? Because most casual streamers have never heard of Sentai, Daisuki, CR or Funi, and are putting all their eggs in the first and most accessible basket they happened to notice in the room..
That's not a reason. Confused
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:39 pm Reply with quote
Does someone know from which anime the thumbnail is?
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