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The List - 7 Brother-Sister Romances That Went Too Far

Agent355 wrote:

Okay, now I'm really curious. What was Kirino's deal, anyway?

spoiler[
Manami is herself in love with Kyosuke and actually does some rather underhanded things to interfere with his relationship prospects. Kyosuke doesn't share her feelings.]

Lord Oink wrote:

Gemnist wrote: I should also add that incest is known to cause numerous health problems, most notably that children born out of incest will often have brain disorders or birth defects. Are you implying the only reason two people have, or SHOULD have sex is to procreate...?

I see so as long as procreation doesn't come into play incest is all good and dandy eh ?
Sisters banging brothers, sons banging mothers, daughters banging fathers. What a happy world.
People who accept and condone incest wether it's real or fiction are sick.

Agent355 wrote:

Are people so ignorant about child sexual abuse that they don't realize that real-life incest almost always falls into that category, or does otaku wish fulfillment "incest" stories that don't reflect reality in the slightest really make people think incest is usually between two consenting emotionally mature people in real life? I have much more sympathy for the "don't confuse fantasy with reality" argument than the "it's not that bad, even in real life" argument. Read a book about child abuse survivors and the long term affects of severe trauma before making that claim. It's an impossible to prove devil's advocate argument that any kind of real life incest is based on a healthy relationship, when there is so much evidence to the contrary. (I personally recommend Judith Herman's Trauma and Recovery, which is often used as a psychology textbook and draws parallels between all different types of trauma, as a starting point on the topic of trauma in general.)

In all of the thread I don't remember reading anyone saying ''most incest is consensual''. So, back to the point please, since I was only talking about consenting adults. This is kinda non-sequitur. (Though I guess I have a new book to check out).

I forgot to state for the record that I find almost all anime on this topic, of flushable quality. To each their, but...

Hellsoldier wrote:

Agent355 wrote: Are people so ignorant about child sexual abuse that they don't realize that real-life incest almost always falls into that category, or does otaku wish fulfillment "incest" stories that don't reflect reality in the slightest really make people think incest is usually between two consenting emotionally mature people in real life? I have much more sympathy for the "don't confuse fantasy with reality" argument than the "it's not that bad, even in real life" argument. Read a book about child abuse survivors and the long term affects of severe trauma before making that claim. It's an impossible to prove devil's advocate argument that any kind of real life incest is based on a healthy relationship, when there is so much evidence to the contrary. (I personally recommend Judith Herman's Trauma and Recovery, which is often used as a psychology textbook and draws parallels between all different types of trauma, as a starting point on the topic of trauma in general.) In all of the thread I don't remember reading anyone saying ''most incest is consensual''. So, back to the point please, since I was only talking about consenting adults. This is kinda non-sequitur. (Though I guess I have a new book to check out). I forgot to state for the record that I find almost all anime on this topic, of flushable quality. To each their, but...

My point wasn't that people were arguing that most incest is consensual, my point is that there are virtually no documented real life cases of happy, emotionally healthy incest couples with a closer relationship than cousins (and I don't have a problem with cousins marrying, personally). I heard *one* story on a podcast of a couple meeting each other as adults, realizing they shared a biologically father, changing their names/documents and marrying anyway. I'm not even sure if the story was true, since it ran on Snap Judgment, one of those story telling podcasts that mix non-fiction and fiction (like This American Life, accept this American life clearly mentions which stories are which). Besides for that one story, I can't think of an incest story outside fiction that was healthy. The people making the argument that an incestuous relationship in real life is unfairly discriminated against have the burden of proof, and no one has offered any argument beyond philosophical musing.

My point wasn't that people were arguing that most incest is consensual, my point is that there are virtually no documented real life cases of happy, emotionally healthy incest couples with a closer relationship than cousins ...

Agent355 wrote:

My point wasn't that people were arguing that most incest is consensual, my point is that there are virtually no documented real life cases of happy, emotionally healthy incest couples with a closer relationship than cousins ...

Might be because of the stigma attached and possible legal repercussions they aren't that keen on advertising their relationships all over. But a simple google search does reveal at least a couple of such stories.

Also, is OreImo any good?

Also, is OreImo any good?

Also, is OreImo any good?

spoiler[Also, (finally) if you're gonna paint Manami as the "villain" in this, then Kyosuke is an absolute ****, because Kyosuke has a conversation with a classmate where he notes he doesn't see himself with Manami BUT will basically fight anyone ELSE who tries to go out with her, basically admitting that he wants to string her along as long as possible.]

I'm not disputing that Kyosuke is a jerk. But I find myself having very little sympathy for characters who never take their chance on someone they've been crushing on for years but then feel like meddling in their crush's romantic lives. Manami is a classic anime case of this.

The bible has no problem with incest period.

Agent355 wrote:

My point wasn't that people were arguing that most incest is consensual, my point is that there are virtually no documented real life cases of happy, emotionally healthy incest couples with a closer relationship than cousins ...

Might be because of the stigma attached and possible legal repercussions they aren't that keen on advertising their relationships all over. But a simple google search does reveal at least a couple of such stories.