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Remington Steele
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I don't think Japan as a whole is the problem here. I think it's the so-called foreign readers who don't know the history of Shonen Jump and possibly a few Japanese readers. Best solution, get rid of the new laws. A few prudes are using the new laws as a gateway toi try and whine and try and pass other anti-anime/Anti-entertainment laws. They are going to kill the anime industry that is supposedly suffering already. |
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mrsticky005
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SJ is targeted to teenage boys. Teenage boys like sexy naked women. So being a business SJ is gonna cock tease the hell out of them and milk them for every yen they can get. Now yes, girls read SJ too, but would showing a bunch of muscular dudes in their underwear really sell that much more copies? Of course girls like erotic fan service but I think guys being much more visual in our sexuality are easier to sell sex to. Hence why most porn is for dudes. On the other hand, girls are more emotional in their sexuality. Hence why they like romance movies and novels more than guys do. Or why shipping is such a big deal. If half naked men sold as well as half naked women do than there would be more half naked men in SJ. But as such it is probably far more marketable to write in endless love triangles for girls to invest in and half naked women for guys to ogle at. |
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leafy sea dragon
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Well, shonen magazines also have a bunch of endless love triangles (though it's more like the love sunburst a harem comedy would typically have, but they're still endless until the ratings go down). |
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SWAnimefan
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People talk about SJ's past with nudity, but not addressing why it's changed - Globalism.
In their expansion, SJ and other magazines had to sacrifice tradition and the culture of nudity to open more doors overseas, especially in the US. And while the US gets all the blame, but other nations have their take as well. So in the eyes of Japanese businessmen, it was easier to mask or remove art than not selling titles. Besides, it's not going to kill teenagers if they are denied 2D boobies, when they are already sneaking pictures of 3D girls off the internet. |
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Encore22
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Personally, I think Jump is better off without this kind of stuff. Seriously how weird do you have to be to read a series for the ecchi, like cmon we have the internet now -- just go watch some Hentai.
This is the kind of stuff that puts us all in a bad light and is in part why anime as a hobby is frowned upon in the west. |
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FLCLGainax
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Jump sure went through a sudden change.
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Lord Oink
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Not that weird if the shere amount of people that do are to judge.
Great, let's keep it that way. 
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Shinuki
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And this comment as a whole is why anime and manga industry needs to stay awaaay from the western mindset. Also, what a stupid logic about ecchi, this is the same of saying "why you're buying Playboy man? go watch some porn!", ecchi isn't the same as hentai as much as professional nudity isn't the same as pornography, you're just very ignorant about these kind of things. Ahh the irony about your comment when all the controversy around anime in the western is because series like Death Note, Yu-Gi-Oh and other shounens, never ecchi lmao!!! |
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Agent355
 Posts: 5113 Location: Crackberry in hand, thumbs at the ready... |
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Every time there's an article about people complaining about fanservice (in this case, a specific type of fanservice), there are posts along these lines:
1. "This is the first time anyone has ever complained about fanservice in anime/manga!" A: I don't think so. I think people who are annoyed by complaints don't notice when people complain until those complaints get media attention. We now have instant access to everyone's opinions all over the world, and news/media sites like this one report on those opinions when they make a big enough splash. That does not mean no one has ever complained before. 2. "Only (prudish) Westerners/Americans complain about fanservice and infringe on Japanese culture's more sex-accepting attitudes" A: The people who complained in this case, and in many similar cases were Japanese. Do you think Japanese women like when characters are portrayed sexually in a predatory way (as in, the character is uncomfortable in the depiction)? No more than any women from anywhere else, I suspect. Which is why they're complaining about it. 3 & 4. "It used to be so much worse! Shonen manga & anime is for boys, and they're marketed as such." A: I feel like the second point here answers the first one: Shonen manga has a larger female readership than ever before. Nearly half (and for some series, more than half) of shonen manga readers are girls or women. As more and more girls read shonen manga, male character designs became more bishonen, female characters became more prominent, and sexuality--while still there, especially in the designs of characters and clothes--became less overtly predatory. As the article notes characters who aggressively peaked or copped a feel stopped being celebrated or written off for laughs. The interesting thing about this article is that it goes one step further and tacitly suggests a correlation between boys flipping girls' skirts in real life and the depiction of that behavior in manga. I read that as: "As sexual harassment became less tolerated in real life, it stopped being depicted casually in shonen manga." Remember that Japan has had educational campaigns discouraging sexual harassment in terms of actions like subway groping.
That might be part of it, but that time period (late '80s through early aughts, when manga started building more steam in the West) correlates with the rapid growth of female readership in Japan itself. It was Japanese girls and women actually buying, and more importantly, voting for their favorite series and characters in shonen manga magazine surveys, which had a bigger, more immediate impact on what actually got published. |
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Encore22
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I think Death Note specifically contradicts the publics perception of anime on almost every point. About shounens shaping this perception, I do agree. Some of it does come from the fact that anime exposure on US television has been pretty much limited to shounen. But honestly, a lot of it is because of ecchi stuff too. Ecchi has a part in so much of our culture: memes, anime tweets, waifus, weeb's profile pictures etc. and it tends to be quite "in your face" shocking so people create a strong association from that. Ecchi is a part of the publics misconceptions about anime, that is just a fact. Secondly, I don't think there is a single good ecchi anime. Like it or not, but the MAL top anime section does not contain a single ecchi series (that I can find, maybe there is one or two) in the top 300 anime series it's just crap honestly, and let's be real here it's pretty much a hentai category in which you get to know the characters as well. Finally, I do think ecchi has a part in manga and anime, but then mostly used as a comedy tool, like in say Konosuba, not just for a boner. But in the end it all comes down to cash, if it is advantageous financially to have ecchi in Shounen Jump, there should be. I just personally think a story that revolves around ecchi is pretty much always shit. |
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Jose Cruz
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SJ doesn't make almost any substantial amount of money from US markets. And if they had to adapt stuff to suit US's prudish comic standards they could just adapt the translated volumes of the manga series without altering the original magazine. |
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Wandering Samurai
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I'm a bit surprised that they're seemingly going after SJ. When I was in high school and reading both SJ and Shonen Magazine, the latter was more raunchy than Shonen Jump. One thing that should be pointed out is how the art style has changed over the years. I mean, take a good luck at Go Nagai's stuff versus a lot of the series that run now. Perhaps one thing IS that artists are drawing bigger boobs to ungodly proportions, and that's probably what's getting the attention of parents now.
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Ziko577
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Does Bastard! come to mind? It was so bad that it was pulled from the magazine because of the sexual content and even the violence was way over the top at times. Yet in the 80's, a lot of well known series were uber violent like Dragon Ball, Saint Seiya, & even freaking Fist of the North Star. Sex & violence go hand and hand folks. |
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mrsatan
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They aren't though. Are at least they weren't up until very recently. The Japanese were totally open about nudity before, and also very frank about sex. It's the fact that Westerners, particularly Americans, are constantly trying to meddle in Japan's affairs and make them change their culture to fit the whims of these globalists. I'm glad this article was written because I meet so many young and ignorant people like this mother that complained. I've told people that Japan has a long history of nudity in media and I'll get some moron that says, "Well, I've been in Tokyo for five years, and I know for a fact there's never been nudity on TV!" When I lived there in 1999 through 2000, nudity had vanished on the current TV programs AFAIK, but occasionally they would rerun some old TV show or movie with nudity. They would air R-Rated American movies totally uncut. Since then, Japan has gone completely prudish, sometimes surpassing even the USA. (Arresting some nutty artist for 3D printing her genitals.) |
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Hoppy800
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Authors and the like should stand up against the globalist tyranny and the MSM, the BBC and CNN especially instead of just bowing down to them, it's just a sickening sight to see them bow down to them like they're servants especially game developers. |
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Ironic how this thread turned out since half of the people in this thread would scream heresy if the cover of Shounen Jump had barely clothed muscular men on the cover instead of the typical almost-nude girls. 
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