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Peebs



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:54 pm Reply with quote
I always thought this show was about a father trying to wake his girls up in the morning. Never did I imagine it'd be about female idols showing their underwear to their followers. I learned something new today!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:07 pm Reply with quote
fathomlessblue wrote:
I have little to say in regards to that delusional, self-aggrandizing man-baby, and in all honestly I’m getting sick of his tantrums being treated like ‘Hayao Miyazaki outbursts’ clickbait headlines to get people venting in the forums.

However, I will say kudos to Okuno & Yoshioka for publicly calling out the constant panty shots during the performances, even if they did it in a fairly light-hearted way. I tried checking out the original series in preparation for the sequels, and couldn’t get over how blatant the fanservice was. It was gross enough to discover some of the idols were 12/13 years old, but when the second episode focused on a sleazy producer who makes the girls perform in skimpy outfits, while also ogling at them the entire time, I had to bail. I just couldn’t get over cognitive dissonance between publicly damning something, yet privately (via camera shots) utterly indulging in it. Then I checked out the main staff and everything suddenly made complete horrifying sense.

Well, hopefully the new season receives the mainstream success of its rivals, now that the creep’s been removed. From what I saw of the franchise there was real potential to do well, so hopefully this proves the fresh start the show deserves.


Wow, I was wondering just how obsessed he was with his characters' underwear. Thanks for taking it for the rest of us so I don't have to get bombarded with his sleaziness.

Really, prior to this, I just thought he was a narcissist and couldn't take criticism. The fact that he's complaining about there being no more panty shots? So he's both a sleazebag AND incredibly petty too.

Chrono1000 wrote:
Yamakan getting mad at the voice actresses and saying he will remember it for the rest of his life just makes him seem bitter. Than again that is rather obvious considering he is retweeting criticisms of the new season.


Well, based on what he said in the past, he IS a pretty bitter man.

kiminobokuwa wrote:
My question is who would work with this guy?? He seems like he's trying to bully his way into the industry. Who cares about the panties!?!? That shouldn't be the prime focus!! The small things this guy obsesses over makes me have a headache. I feel bad because the first season wasn't bad at all..but he's putting it in a bad light and making it seem less than the show actually is...


He successfully crowdfunded his Twilight project, so clearly he still has his fans. How pleasant he actually is to work with, however, is knowledge that's far beyond me. But he seems to have a lot of money (and the ego to go with it), and he has a history of past hits (albeit with some past bombs too), so I'm sure he'd be able to find work every now and then.

zrnzle500 wrote:
I was going to give him the benefit of the doubt on exactly who decided on showing the panty shots (though given some of his previous comments , not much) but I reread the transcript he quoted, and I couldn’t figure out where they implied Yamakan himself put that in there. It just seemed they were glad that their characters wouldn’t be as sexualized and didn’t think most if any fans would be mad. Unless they were referring to a comment he made, it seems like he is protesting too much. Regardless, I’m glad this bitter, washed up troll is off the project.


The fact is that Yamakan angrily responded to these comments from the voice actors, and that does make him pretty suspicious. If Yamakan kept quiet, then it'd be totally up in the air who made that decision.

It's like when there are a group of kids somewhere and a vase gets broken, so you tell the kids that someone broke a vase and one of them blurts out, "I didn't do anything!" Who knows? Maybe Yamakan DIDN'T do anything. But he immediately fired a shot their way after the actors' mention of a lack of underwear shots.

Peebs wrote:
I always thought this show was about a father trying to wake his girls up in the morning. Never did I imagine it'd be about female idols showing their underwear to their followers. I learned something new today!


Heh, when I first heard the title, that's what I had in mind too.

I would've wanted to see an anime about the wacky hijinks of a dad trying to wake his daughters up so they won't be late for school. He'll try a different technique each episode, and they'll barely get to school on time every time...until the day they're actually late and it breaks his heart.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:59 pm Reply with quote
Yamakan's difficulty of handling criticism could one day lead to his demise.
At least the visuals of new Wake Up Girls look much more eye-pleasing than the original...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:06 pm Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:
I would've wanted to see an anime about the wacky hijinks of a dad trying to wake his daughters up so they won't be late for school. He'll try a different technique each episode, and they'll barely get to school on time every time...until the day they're actually late and it breaks his heart.


Yeah, I'd watch that.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:09 pm Reply with quote
Wow, frankly pretty sad to see people mock this series because of a single panty scene when it's the most respectful and humane portrayal of idols we've got. It'd be great if more people gave it a chance, rather than being so cynical about it.

zunderdog24 wrote:
As unlikeable as everyone else finds yamakan, I wished he continued working on WUG. Im a huge WUG fan, but the new season just breaks my heart by how much it has dropped in quality.

The animation for the most part looks like they are cardboard cut outs just being moved.
The character expressions look stiff, generic, forced; take your pick. Even WUG Zoo character designs had more expression.
Forced drama, and I mean more forced than usual, like they didn't even try to hide it.
Dont get me started on the CG.


It's been one episode... Yes, the CG was bad, but don't kid yourself. The first season was horribly animated most of the time. There has been no real technical drop in quality beyond the CG dance scene. Considering the original series has exactly one decently animated dance scene in the entire season though, I can forgive that.
Also, people seem to be totally overlooking it for the most part, but there was some really solid character animation in this first episode with a ton of expression. I was certainly impressed.

Selipse wrote:
relyat08 wrote:
Not to mention, most of the other idol shows still have the fanservice. WUG called it out and was not really indulging in it at all. Most everything else is nothing but fanservice, in its various forms, including the ecchi type, without any of the decency that WUG had to actually criticize it.


I take it you don't actually watch any idol shows?


I've seen enough to know that most of them aren't really my thing(pretty much every one that has any western following at all). And if you think that they aren't almost entirely fanservice(As I noted, that's not just sexy stuff.), you are kidding yourself. I actually kind of like Idolmaster, but it's nothing but fanservice(sakuga, cute and sexy outfits, character types for every fetish, catgirl, foreigner, a little girl who caries her teddy bear everywhere, princess tsundere, etc etc etc). Honestly, idols, by their very nature, are basically just fanservice.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:36 pm Reply with quote
fathomlessblue wrote:
DerekL1963 wrote:
Frankly, that's proof positive that you didn't actually check out the original series - you found what you wanted to find, and stopped after the second episode. In both the first and second episodes, yes - there was fanservice. However, what you seem to have missed in your rush to judgement was context.


Well, yes, I stopped after the second episode; I said so clearly in my post. Perhaps you missed that in your rush to judgement to make aspersions as to why I didn't take to it?


Maybe I wasn't clear. This has nothing to do with whether or not you 'took' to it. It has everything to do with the broad generalizations and statements you're making about the entire series. You've mistakenly extrapolated from two episodes to the entire series.

Or, more bluntly, when you make statements about the entire series, you have no idea what you're talking about because you haven't watched the entire series.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:34 am Reply with quote
Man, to think that, at one point, he was actually employed at one of the most currently popular anime studios in Kyoto Animation. I really wonder what exactly happened to him in his life to have him be this bitter. Kyoto Animation hiring this man hasn’t been one of their better decisions in their history and good thing that they cut ties with him before he could have done anything else that doesn’t fit their image. He’s been damaging his reputation for a while now and I find it improbable that he will find any success for the future in the anime industry if he keeps being this salty.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:10 am Reply with quote
relyat08 wrote:

zunderdog24 wrote:
As unlikeable as everyone else finds yamakan, I wished he continued working on WUG. Im a huge WUG fan, but the new season just breaks my heart by how much it has dropped in quality.

The animation for the most part looks like they are cardboard cut outs just being moved.
The character expressions look stiff, generic, forced; take your pick. Even WUG Zoo character designs had more expression.
Forced drama, and I mean more forced than usual, like they didn't even try to hide it.
Dont get me started on the CG.


It's been one episode... Yes, the CG was bad, but don't kid yourself. The first season was horribly animated most of the time. There has been no real technical drop in quality beyond the CG dance scene. Considering the original series has exactly one decently animated dance scene in the entire season though, I can forgive that.
Also, people seem to be totally overlooking it for the most part, but there was some really solid character animation in this first episode with a ton of expression. I was certainly impressed.


I never said the animation in the first season wasn't bad, I said that this season has dropped in quality. As in they made some something that most people agree on that looks bad, look tremendously worse. Say what you will about the first season, but to me it had heart. I dont see heart in this new season, all I see is a doll of its former self.

Still love WUG, but not the studio working on it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:53 am Reply with quote
zunderdog24 wrote:
relyat08 wrote:
zunderdog24 wrote:

The animation for the most part looks like they are cardboard cut outs just being moved.
The character expressions look stiff, generic, forced; take your pick. Even WUG Zoo character designs had more expression.
Forced drama, and I mean more forced than usual, like they didn't even try to hide it.
Dont get me started on the CG.


It's been one episode... Yes, the CG was bad, but don't kid yourself. The first season was horribly animated most of the time. There has been no real technical drop in quality beyond the CG dance scene. Considering the original series has exactly one decently animated dance scene in the entire season though, I can forgive that.
Also, people seem to be totally overlooking it for the most part, but there was some really solid character animation in this first episode with a ton of expression. I was certainly impressed.


I never said the animation in the first season wasn't bad, I said that this season has dropped in quality. As in they made some something that most people agree on that looks bad, look tremendously worse. Say what you will about the first season, but to me it had heart. I dont see heart in this new season, all I see is a doll of its former self.


I mean, you were specifically complaining about the visuals in this season and how they move, in your opinion, "like cardboard cut outs" etc. If you admit the animation in the first season was bad, then this shouldn't even be a complaint. The animation here is, in fact, technically better most of the time(it's not a "drop in quality"). So it seems like a poor point to argue. If you just really hate the character designs(understandable, I wasn't a huge fan at first, but I think they look better in motion than they did in the key visuals, personally), that's a different story, but your complaints seem to be, based on your wording, centered around the way the characters move.
Anyway, I loved the first season, but I guess I'm more patient than most because I don't think one episode of this is enough to just say it has no heart. I thought this first episode was solid. And it could easily grow into a satisfying sequel over the course of the season.
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relyat08 wrote:

I mean, you were specifically complaining about the visuals in this season and how they move, in your opinion, "like cardboard cut outs" etc. If you admit the animation in the first season was bad, then this shouldn't even be a complaint. The animation here is, in fact, technically better most of the time(it's not a "drop in quality"). So it seems like a poor point to argue.


When it looks like they isolated a static image of a charaters head; layered the scene; then proceed to simply move the static image up and down between layers. Then yes, I 100% think this is a drop in quality when contrasted against the first season. It looks lazy and cheap. Sure there are a few moments with good animation, but definitely not enough to warrent "technically better most of the time".
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MoonPhase1 wrote:
Well this is the same guy who said people who watch Anime beyond a certain age have disabilities.

By now, we can make a drinking game each time a member of that critics trinity (him, Hayao Miyazaki, and Hideaki Anno) says or does something stupid like that.
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Sorry, but whoever translated the transcript of the comments by Kayatan, Mayushii and Nanamin has got it completely wrong. And I don't just mean a little bit wrong, the entire meaning has been lost.

Also worth mentioning is that this was not an event, but a very casual live stream on NicoNico. You shouldn't take these comments seriously at all. Kayatan is sort of person who randomly says things like this all the time. In fact I highly doubt Yamakan himself watched the stream and instead went by comments/transcripts from other people afterwards.

I didn't bother reading the other replies in the thread and I'm not particularly interested in discussing this, but for those of you who are, it will probably help to actually have the correct transcript of the comments by the voice actresses.

Here is the original that is linked in the article (https://twitter.com/animeseiyu/status/913059648265117696)
奥野香耶:聞きたいんだけどさ、ライブシーンでパンツ映るじゃん。あれ嬉しいですか?
吉岡茉祐・山下七海・スタッフ:爆笑
奥野:(コメントは)嬉しくないって人がわりと多い
吉岡:言っておきますが、現実では一切ないです!
奥野:ずっと気になってたの、4年前から
山下:絶対ない(笑)

And the correct translation:
Kaya: So I want to ask (directed at the viewers of the live stream), you know how there's that scene in Shichinin no Idol (the prequel movie to the TV series) where you can see the girls' underwear? Are you happy to see that?
Mayu, Nanami, staff: All burst out laughing
Kaya: (Missing from transcript) 'Ah, there are some people who say they were happy to see it, also some who don't mind either way'.
Kaya: But there are a surprising number of people in the comments who say they weren't happy to see it.
Mayu: Let me just say this, it definitely won't happen in reality (referring to the seiyuu who also sing and dance).
Kaya: I've been wondering all this time, since 4 years ago
Mayu (still laughing): (Missing from transcript) Good thing you were finally able to ask it!
Nanami: Definitely not! (referring to Mayu's comment about the seiyuu)
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