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Key wrote:

DxD follows a narrative; in fact, I'm convinced that it set the current standard for doing so and pushed changes in the harem genre as a result. I don't see that TSND's narrative is any more involved in this season. And comparing s2 of TSND to s3 of DxD isn't a fair comparison, as you're comparing best (on a plot front) to worst.

I meant both of them are in the pool of ecchi/erotic shows that also contain plot. DxD, Hundred, Campione, Sister New Devil, etc. DxD and Sister New Devil are definitely the best in that category, but Sister New Devil's narrative and eroticism are both better than DxD in my eyes. Which talking about the series as whole does involve both seasons of SnD and all three of DxD.

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Actually, I knew a lot of guys in middle and high school who were exactly that.

In talking with other guys, absolutely. A lot of teenage guys I knew talked just like Issei, but when it came to actually interacting with real girls, no way. Mostly because if they did, they would get suspended/expelled for sexual assault.

Megiddo wrote:

So you do prefer DxD's execution of perpetually teasing the audience but never doing anything in the end.

Not sure why you think the stories are so similar since they both follow the same cookie-cutter shounen power fantasy guidebook. I hope you don't think that anything in DxD is innovative in any way and think that Testament is somehow stealing from DxD's unique story, because that notion is laughable. Looking at details, very little of DxD's world is in Testament's. Basara isn't killed and revived to become a demon. He isn't given random tasks or attempting to fulfill requests. Basara already has the training and skills needed to defend his "family" so there aren't any training sequences. As far as I can recall there is no third sect in the Demon/Hero conflict as there are fallen angels in the DxD-verse. Rias is already powerful and doesn't really need to worry about being hunted down by her enemies. There's no "chess"/"promotion" system in Testament.

So what, it's got a guy hanging around with a demon chick and ends up fighting a bunch of villains because of his desire to protect the demon chick? Is that the extent that Testament's and DxD's stories intermingle?

It's nice to see somebody that somewhat gets it. Comparing Testament to DxD is like comparing apples to oranges. I'm not sure how people can even considering comparing the "fanservice" between the two series when there's obvious limits to what Ishibumi is allowed to write as part of the Fantasia Bunko label where as Uesu has damn near full control over what he's allowed to write under the Sneaker Bunko label. Both series continue to be popular to the point where they are getting continuations of their anime (DxD is getting its fourth season) and (Testament is getting a theatrical OVA). Which is great for fans of both series.

Megiddo wrote:

But are they animated? Because that's why I watch anime. And I haven't found anything even close to the eroticism in Testament.

The 2 I can think of that do are Hybrid Heart Ataraxia & Valkyrie Drive Mermaid.

As for who is the bigger tease.....I think it depends on what sort of fan service you're looking for and what your expectations are for the show itself. DxD is more of a tease in terms of nothing sexual really happening but being more in the vain of classic ecchi shows like UFO Ultra Maiden Valkyrie, Queen's Blade, Ikki Tousen, Heaven's Lost Property etc. If you want something that has more physical sexualized elements then yea DxD and it's ilk would be a bit of a blue baller. Then again, if you want more physical sexualized contact with a show like Testament, Hybrid Heart, or Valkyrie Drive those shows are a bit of a blue baller given how close they ride the line (zing!) between actually straight up having sex or not. So those could easily be seen as a tease as they're right there but won't cross that line. Which I don't get personally as you can have sex and not have it be some pointless hentai or porn. Game of Thrones for example. So just because there may be actual sex doesn't mean they would have to dumb down the plot. I'd personally love for anime to finally get to that point where you can have sex and actual plots and have it all be a well done show for the more adult fans.

What I think are the biggest tease shows are the ones which can't decide which way they are going with the sexual content. Are they going to be more traditional or go the newer more explicit route. Instead they have a hodgepodge mix of both and don't have a more defined identity. Shows like Quasar of Stigmata, Senran Kagura, Kanon, or Maken Ki for example. Regardless of which show, Testament or DxD, is more of a tease you know what sort of fanservice you're going to get with each show.

And I just spent far too much time discussing T&A shows lol.

Megiddo wrote:

So you do prefer DxD's execution of perpetually teasing the audience but never doing anything in the end.

Not sure why you think the stories are so similar since they both follow the same cookie-cutter shounen power fantasy guidebook. I hope you don't think that anything in DxD is innovative in any way and think that Testament is somehow stealing from DxD's unique story, because that notion is laughable. Looking at details, very little of DxD's world is in Testament's. Basara isn't killed and revived to become a demon. He isn't given random tasks or attempting to fulfill requests. Basara already has the training and skills needed to defend his "family" so there aren't any training sequences. As far as I can recall there is no third sect in the Demon/Hero conflict as there are fallen angels in the DxD-verse. Rias is already powerful and doesn't really need to worry about being hunted down by her enemies. There's no "chess"/"promotion" system in Testament.

So what, it's got a guy hanging around with a demon chick and ends up fighting a bunch of villains because of his desire to protect the demon chick? Is that the extent that Testament's and DxD's stories intermingle?

Pretty much a good description of the differences between the 2 stories. There are more differences than similarities in this story.

The 2 heroines can be "busty redheads who are potentially powerful devils" But if you look at other anime, busty redheads is a must for some devil/demon heroines. I can remember Demon Queen from Maoyuu Maou Yuusha, Lilith Asami from Trinity Seven and Lisara Restall from Dakara Boku wa H ga Dekinai (ok, Lisara have smaller breasts, but you get the point).

Also don't having all those boring training sequences is one of the reasons i like Testament more than DxD.

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Takkun4343 wrote:

The fact that Bang Zoom would go through with dubbing a show like this and not forcing every last one of its actors to go under aliases is enough to give it a thumbs-up from me, exceptional or no.

The company can force actors to use aliases? Really? If you don't want to use your real name for whatever reason then it's perfectly fine but so it is using it if you just feel like it IMO.

The "forcing" comment wasn't serious; still, I was surprised that only three VAs of the whole bunch listed on the show page were pseudonyms.

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For what it’s worth, I’m definitely with Key, Greed, and Punch on this one. This type of comparison will, at the end of the day, simply come down to personal preferences. In terms of strictly power fantasy alone, I’d hardly call DxD mediocre. Far from it and it’s characters are much more interesting to care about and follow than Testament. It’s not that hard to see why it is the more popular of the two. Both of the shows’ plots are fine (in terms of their genre, anyway) and they each have their own similarities that comparing the two can work. I also don’t think it’s entirely fair to bring realism to either of their stories since they both clearly don’t prioritize it.
Just my two cents.

I'm curious how the English dub will deal with a certain line from Burst:

"Since Mio and I both became bitches and submitted to Basara, all three of us have grown stronger."

That's a real winner right there.

Psycho 101 wrote:

What I think are the biggest tease shows are the ones which can't decide which way they are going with the sexual content. Are they going to be more traditional or go the newer more explicit route. Instead they have a hodgepodge mix of both and don't have a more defined identity. Shows like Quasar of Stigmata, Senran Kagura, Kanon, or Maken Ki for example.

Um, one of those is definitely not like the others. Shocked

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This supernatural action harem series proves that sex alone can't sell a story.

My wallet says otherwise.

Key wrote:

Psycho 101 wrote:

What I think are the biggest tease shows are the ones which can't decide which way they are going with the sexual content. Are they going to be more traditional or go the newer more explicit route. Instead they have a hodgepodge mix of both and don't have a more defined identity. Shows like Quasar of Stigmata, Senran Kagura, Kanon, or Maken Ki for example.

Um, one of those is definitely not like the others. Shocked

Im thinking he might have meant Kanokon

While you can debate the degree to which the Main Character is teased within the anime, since you are not physically there neither show can do anything but tease to the person watching. You have to provide your own release, just as you would have to with any tease. As to which show is more arousing, that is going to depend on the observer.

As to which show is better, it doesn't really matter. Both shows are similar enough that if you enjoyed one you will probably like the other. Both are different enough that it is not the same show. Neither show is perfect and neither is so bad as to be unwatchable. It is not as though liking one precludes liking the other. Simply get both. (or neither if you don't like fan service)

Megiddo wrote:

For me, I will never understand DxD's popularity over Testament. I mean, if you say you're watching DxD for anything other than its erotic content then you're just watching a mediocre power fantasy that is done better in hundreds of other series. If you are watching it for the erotic content then why not watch the show with the more sensual erotic content instead? Unless people like being blueballed and tricked into thinking "oh I bet if I watch a little bit more, surely something will happen beyond Issei fondling Rias' tits for a few seconds!

that's because dxd was able to do both fanservice and storytelling well enough. also the main selling point is that issei isn't one of those typical oblivious, girl phobic MC ala ichika orimura , touma kamajo or the masaki brothers tenchi & kenchi, nor does he takes his perversions too far like with aoi from kyokai senjou no horizon , arata from trinity seven, or the MC from the ascetic of a rouge hero and most importantly isn't an nonredeemable jackass like makoto ito from school days. while basara is somewhere on the borderline level persona which is a good thing.

dont get me wrong. shinmai mao no testament is very decent harem series , its more or less inferior to dxd which have pretty much set the standard for the genre which is why its getting a 4th season which haven't been seen since zero no tsukaima. and especially considering that both series are from light novels more or less proves how insanely popular the source materials are.

However for this series, stick with the sub version. for a dub only person like myself, its not easy to say that but this dub version is extremely lackluster to the point of being unwatchable. and they outsource the dub to bang zoom no less which is the bigger disappointment on how mediocre it is. C+ is way to gracious. should have gotten a D or lower in my opinion. sure while i am glad it even got one cause funi could have easily have given this the sub only treatment ala OniAi, but this is too atrocious to both funi and bang zoom's standards. at least hundred have a better english dub than this one!

funi should have just used the dxd cast to do testament instead.

Psycho 101 wrote:

Megiddo wrote:

But are they animated? Because that's why I watch anime. And I haven't found anything even close to the eroticism in Testament.

The 2 I can think of that do are Hybrid Heart Ataraxia & Valkyrie Drive Mermaid.

there are actually 4 other series that are as close if not more that you might not have considered, even though the first two are NOT harem series. the first is sin nanatsu no taizai (seven mortal sins), the 2nd is a very old adv series called knights of lamunes which is gutter trash to the core! the other two are of course kodomo no jikan and yousuga no sora which definitely took the fanservice to the extreme point that they were nearly considered borderline softcore hentai.

jr240483 wrote:

funi should have just used the dxd cast to do testament instead.

If it's any consolation, Mio and Xenovia share the same VA, so it's not like the voice casts are entirely dissimilar.

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Key wrote:

Psycho 101 wrote:

What I think are the biggest tease shows are the ones which can't decide which way they are going with the sexual content. Are they going to be more traditional or go the newer more explicit route. Instead they have a hodgepodge mix of both and don't have a more defined identity. Shows like Quasar of Stigmata, Senran Kagura, Kanon, or Maken Ki for example.

Um, one of those is definitely not like the others. Shocked

Im thinking he might have meant Kanokon

Yes, that would make a lot more sense.

Alan45 wrote:

As to which show is better, it doesn't really matter. Both shows are similar enough that if you enjoyed one you will probably like the other. Both are different enough that it is not the same show. Neither show is perfect and neither is so bad as to be unwatchable. It is not as though liking one precludes liking the other. Simply get both. (or neither if you don't like fan service)

This is, I think, the best cumulative evaluation of both.

Grading to the contrary, I don't dislike TSND because it's got Maria; I'd buy a wall scroll of her in an instant if I ever come across one. But I like the girls, music, and storylines in DxD better.

I found the show less irritating than DxD. Though I don't understand why these guys can't just make a straight ecchi series without the fantasy nonsense.

I can understand the appeal of ecchi in the sense that some people just wanna see boobs and butts and panties without the boinking and everything that usually comes with it. But the fantasy stuff is almost never well written and usually just gets in the way of that so what's the point?

Takkun4343 wrote:

The fact that Bang Zoom would go through with dubbing a show like this and not forcing every last one of its actors to go under aliases is enough to give it a thumbs-up from me, exceptional or no.

I would say that Xanthe Huynh is 'above this' since she's been in stuff like Persona 5 and A Hat in Time. But her first role was in Kite Liberator, a sequel to literal hentai. So it's not the most trashy thing she's been in. Plus I'd probably have done the same in her position.

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