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Joshua Zarate
Joined: 12 Jan 2017
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:25 pm
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Zzshcl wrote: | How is possible that the main character is not appealing at all? |
Just because she’s not appealing to you doesn’t mean she’s not appealing to everyone.
Zzshcl wrote: | than this boring girl that does nothing. |
Uh... this past episode just had Violet help the guy decide to leave his home where he’s been holed up to follow his dream profession.
Zzshcl wrote: | Funny fact, without violet the show would be way better |
Then it would be a completely different show with different goals in mind. This show is named after her, so if you’re this bothered by it, I think it would be best if you were to just leave this show and move on to other things.
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Zzshcl
Joined: 21 Dec 2016
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:28 pm
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Joshua Zarate wrote: |
Zzshcl wrote: | How is possible that the main character is not appealing at all? |
Just because she’s not appealing to you doesn’t mean she isn’t appealing to everyone.
Zzshcl wrote: | than this boring girl that does nothing. |
Uh... this past episode just had Violet help the guy decide to leave his home where he’s been holed up to follow his dream profession.
Zzshcl wrote: | Funny fact, without violet the show would be way better |
Then it would be a completely different show with different goals in mind. This show is named after her, so if you’re this bothered by it, I think it would be best if you were to just leave this show nd move on to other things. |
Dont get so pressed bro, I will watch it for the secondary characters
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meiam
Joined: 23 Jun 2013
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:53 pm
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Does the writer just have a personal vendetta against well established premise?
I don't even know where to begin. So they hire Doll (people who specialize in interpreting feeling and writing letter) to do basic typist work (learning how to type is far easier than writing letter, the supply of one would be far higher than the other and the wage far lower). Then they invite 80 of them at once (I guess the observatory is empty most of the time?)! Was the Lices nation about to attack and devour all the book unless they were transcribed right away? Then the actual work is one that could easily be done by just one person (turn the book around and Violet could have done the work alone, or better yet, don't hire a doll and just have the guy type it himself, this is Armageddon level of dumb plot convenience). And anyway none of this is that helpful since none of the illustration are copied anyway (hint: hire artist to copy the picture instead, typing is a skill that can be learned in less than a week, copying drawing takes decade).
But okay, w/e, let's say we ignore all that and just accept that they need to copy everything (but only the word) right now, live in a world where typist don't exist and have infinite amount of money. Surely the show is going to do something amazing with the idea that there's 80 dolls in the same place, like some sort of tournament arc or something, right? NOPE, just have a 5 sec cameo that's irrelevant to the story. Everything else could have been done just fine without all this. Let's assume that typist don't exist, they could have just hired Violet to teach the guy how to type. You get the same story without requiring 12th level suspension disbelief (hell make it 3 doll hired and you can keep the pointless cameo).
Oh btw, if you were excited because of last week hint that this would delve into Violet past, hope you can sustain that for another week or more cause the show forgot about that.
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kinghumanity
Joined: 03 Nov 2014
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:47 pm
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So what happened to Gilbert's brother? Did Ishidate forget his own story? Did he mix up the episodes by accident?
Because this is giving me Kyoukai no Kanata vibes. That show was a stew of different fragments and half-cooked ideas that the audience is supposed to piece together by themselves into a narrative story like a box of IKEA furniture. It was a garbled mess that didn't engage the audience on any level, and is the first and only KyoAni show I dropped so far. I want to be proven wrong as I have loved almost every KyoAni show that wasn't directed by Ishidate.
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Chiibi
Joined: 19 Dec 2011
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:23 pm
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I liked episode 06 very much; LOTS of scenery porn and Leon was a very endearing character.
I'm just confused over how the last scene from episode 05 wasn't addressed yet.
Quote: | I'm also struck by how Leon comes across as more endearing in the anime. I always liked him; he's basically a male tsundere. But the light novel lingers more on his hatred of women, whereas in the anime he just comes across as awkward. That scene where he asks Violet to go stargazing with him was especially amusing. His fidgeting movements telegraphed his crush on her, but when she says yes, he tries to play it cool and act pompous. Adorable. |
Kim knows what's good.
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Joshua Zarate
Joined: 12 Jan 2017
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:30 pm
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Episode 7 was definitely one of the best episodes of the show thus far. Seeing Violet learn the truth about the Major in such a premature way was quite unexpected at this point of the series’ runtime (I had completely forgotten that this will have 14 episodes). The voice acting on display was top-notch this episode as the emotion displayed by both the playwright and Violet was quite emotional and believable. It was quite the development seeing Violet finally grasp empathy and had me feeling a bit down myself for her. Can’t wait to see what happens next episode.
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Panino Manino
Joined: 28 Jan 2018
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:51 pm
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I'll copy two comments that I made somewhere else about episode 7:
Quote: | I said it before and I’ll say it again, while I appreciate all the effort KyoAni puts onto the themes, symbolisms and visuals, they should give more attention to the basics.
For what I know I can understand why the original LN is well regarded.
And seeing how this adaptation is playing out I strongly disagree with the changes. At the same time that KyoAni changed the narrative to be more conventional it also, like I said, neglects the basics.
Oscar should be the protagonist of this story, we should see the events by his perspective, but the anime adopts a middle ground that just detracts. If this episode had so little time to tells his story why “waste” time with Violet? Why, instead of showing those over dramatic flashbacks not use their time to make he and Violet spend more meaningful time together? At the end he could just tell that he had a daughter that died and we would understand perfectly well why having Violet there taking care of him would hurt so much. The way they did, cutting any arguing between the two about the story and letting only some key phrases, being spoken over some tone deaf score, it was embarrassing for my decaying ears.
And I have to say, Violet jumping over the lake was the definition of “forced animation”, and this looks like the one time when I can say this without being a “meme”. For what I understand Violet really indeed walked on water. But because of the way the scene is animated like so many others we may think that there’s nothing unusual there, it was just one more pretty scene. Again, KyoAni trying so hard that it detracts.
When this anime ends if anyone says that it’s masterfully animated I’ll agree, it is. The animators and art directions are really working very hard, no denying it. However I definitively can’t recommend for the script.
This is developing to be a truly divider of opinions. |
Quote: | Other thing that annoys me in the way the story is being told here is that it makes more difficult to believe in Violet’s lack of understanding about herself. If this is the first story in the LN, ok, but here, in the seventh episode of the anime seeing Violet being able to empathize and understand the feelings and desires of the characters of a book while still being unable to understand even the most patent feelings she feels… it’s hard to believe. |
And by the way, contrary to what the episode "revealed", I'm sure that Gilbert is alive. I never believed that he had died and with this episode I'm absolutely sure. I have no idea on how he survived but he is alive somewhere.
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darkchibi07
Joined: 15 Oct 2003
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:04 pm
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Damn, that's some high praise for episode 7. Now I'm curious how Erika Harlacher pull off that episode.
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:54 pm
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I definitely agree with Kim's assessment of the episode. Fantastic. I thought the story was incredibly moving and then to finally have Claudia finally tell Violet the truth (as he knows it) was great as was the unexpected reveal that as part of her awakening humanity, Violet is feeling anguish over her actions in war. Tremendous stuff.
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Angel M Cazares
Joined: 23 Sep 2010
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:44 pm
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Episode 7 was very well done, and it has returned some of expectations that the story will return to being a poignant, coming of age and redemption tale for the main character. I look forward to the show's second half. Hopefully the side stories are done, and the focus returns to Violet, Claudia and the other main characters, especially Cattleya.
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Merida
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:33 am
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Yeah, that was a pretty good episode. I loved Violet's and Oscar's relationship, from her blunt "You are being difficult!" to his simply asking what happend to her hands instead of just staring in shock. like almost everyone else before. And that "walking across the lake" scene was beautiful.
I'm also gald that the cat is finally out of the bag, though Claudia playing the "his body has never been found" card made me a bit. I'd actually prefer if he was dead for good since that would make more sense for Violet's character developement. But we'll see...
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Starbuckets
Joined: 02 Aug 2016
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:05 am
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I get the praise for this episode to a certain extent but it didn't resonate with me nearly as much as episode 6 to be honest. The Oscar vignette was poignant in its own right unlike episodes 1 to 4 there wasn't this unpleasant disconnect between the overly dramatic presentation and the tone and heaviness of the story, but I found Violet's interactions with Leon a lot more charming and emotionally impactful. I guess it mainly comes down to my finding Leon a much more endearing character to follow. I'm glad the show is getting better overall, though. Let’s hope the later half delivers.
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msgundam2
Joined: 28 Dec 2005
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:37 pm
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Another anime that made me cry in my work place break room. Made in Abyss did it to me last time.
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Gurren Rodan
Joined: 04 Jan 2018
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:13 pm
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This show has definitely been on the uptick these last few episodes. I think the story has finally found its footing, balancing Violet's personal growth with the independent characters/stories she interacts with. Production values, of course, are still amazing.
I was concerned when the cliffhanger from ep. 5 didn't seem to go anywhere, but I appreciate now that, as brief as it was for the audience, the encounter had significant impact for Violet, and will likely hang over her for a while still.
Panino Manino wrote: | I'll copy two comments that I made somewhere else about episode 7:
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I'm sorry, but, you've lost me. Admittedly I know virtually nothing about the source material, but...
Oscar is the protagonist of the main story this episode; but it is through Violet's involvement that he finds the resolution he needs; furthermore, the episode uses this story to develop Violet further as a character, so that even when the individual story is done, the overarching story has more to work with.
The "over dramatic flashbacks" were, in my opinion, vital for Violet to empathize with him. Simply knowing he lost someone is a start, but I think that, by telling Violet his story, Oscar was able to fully convey his pain and sadness to her, letting Violet become immersed in his history the way she became immersed in the play.
Violet jumping over the lake didn't look "forced" to me at all. It was a brief, captivating moment that illustrated what was, for Oscar, a truly magical moment in which his daughter's dream came true. I doubt Violet literally walked on water for even three steps; but Oscar wouldn't have noticed, and it wouldn't have mattered. It was a standout shot in an already pretty episode, timed just as it needed to be.
I also think Violet has learned much more about emotions - both of others and her own - than she realizes. It's obvious by now she can feel strongly and react to others' feelings; she just... doesn't quite have the right words connected to them, yet. I think one could compare to Elias in Magus Bride, who is definitely feeling emotions, but just doesn't know what they are ("Am I angry/jealous/etc? Is that what this is??")
Honestly, after some of the dialogue last episode ("that means you must lo--"), I was wondering if we'd find our way directly back to Violet and Gilbert soon. Even so, this episode took me by surprise, and I am excited for episode 8 like nothing else before.
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:22 pm
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@ Gurren Rodan - excellent post. I agree with you on all points.
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