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Chrysostomus
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That's because it IS an insult. It is a pretty toxic attack on straight male sexuality. Again, I say straight male because nobody ever criticizes the "heteronormativity" of romantic fiction aimed at women. You're essentially trying to shame male sexuality and disregard it. Heteronormativity, coming from the mouth of these ideologues, is pretty much a discriminatory attack on straight males, and for no good reason. |
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TarsTarkas
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True, but the only reason to say that is a negative. Also, using it comes with a plus, because it is an academic sounding word, it gives the term a seemingly moral high ground gravitas. Which is why it has been latched onto for this latest entry of PC'ness. I said my piece, but I acknowledge that it is an exercise in futility. Tilting at windmills. |
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Chrono1000
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Not if you think heteronormativity is good. |
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TarsTarkas
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The word is not used for that purpose in normal conversation. It is probably used in academia. The term has merely been borrowed to be the latest catch phrase. |
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I'm not sure what you're referring to by "normal conversation" but the concept of heteronormativity does not include a condemnation or commendation of itself - it describes an idea.
For example: I could quite coherently agree with the columnists that DITF is heteronormative and disagree that that's a problem with the show. |
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VerQuality
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This is undoubtedly the best write-up regarding Franxx I've seen. I've kept trying to put what this series feels like it's trying to say into words, only to write something kind of half-baked and deleting it before I can embarrass myself by posting it. Kudos, I'll definitely be referencing this going forward, and it'll be interesting to see how much of it ends up hitting the mark by the end. I also really appreciate how the review called out tons of other series with similar themes. There are definitely loads of interesting comparisons to be made between Franxx and Star Driver, Captain Earth, and Aquarion Evol (I'd add Diebuster and Eureka 7 to the list as well). It's unfortunate when Eva comparisons get the majority of the attention. |
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Beatdigga
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The above is why I have hope it will be turned into something interesting. That isn’t a guarantee, but a hope.
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Realquick
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But of course, they don't let anything slide unless it's has decent gay romance like in kobayashi or devilman despite the glaring flaws in the show. Imagine if a reviewer watched yuri on ice and said "wish it had more straight stuff" |
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Wtv
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I find most shoujo ofensive, for a lot of reason, some of them being heteronormativity. Outside the heteronormative thing, I find 25-sai no Joshikousei pretty offensive this season, and it's aimed at women. Citrus is also aimed at gay women and people attack it all the time. I don't think there's really a bias against straight male, it's just that you don't bother watching sexual things for women.
Look, my only point is that heteronormative is not a offensive word. And the show is heteronormative so far, you can't deny it. I, in my opinion, believe it would be more interesting showing others sides of it. Agent355 gave a very good analysis as why it's like that. Mind you, they're not saying it's not heteronormative, they're justifying it, what is a good point. Now, I'm not against fanservice, and I know in general, anime critics aren't either. There's some fun shows that, yeah, uses fanservice. I just think that when you want to treat a theme seriously, like the show supposedly wants, cheap fanservice is too out of place. The way female characters are portrayed now is offensive, yeah, but that might be intentional, as Agent355 pointed. I just can't believe the authors are serious about that. How can you criticize something and use it as a selling point at the same time? I think that fact alone is enough to make people believe the authors don't have the capacity to work with the theme here. Sure, maybe we're wrong, but you can't deny that's the image the shows gives off now. |
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Lemonchest
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YOI had plenty of straight stuff - even quasi-incest (one of the weirder subplots. I think they were running short on ideas by that point). & ANN staff are quick to flag when gay romance goes down some of the more problematic roads anime/manga tends to take it (they did it just this week in the Citrus ep review). I don't get why there's been such a visceral reaction to two people musing about whether a show that's clearly all about teenagers screwing will go beyond its guy mounts girl something something social commentary setup. Maybe it's because they used a no no word. In fact of course it is. It always is. |
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Blood-
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I consider myself pretty liberal but I have to say this incessant harping on the evils of heteronormativity on the part of some ANN reviewers is getting really effin' annoying. More reviewing, less idealoguing, please. Ever wonder that there might be a link between this over-politicization and Tempest's recent drive to try and increase subscriptions to make up for financial shortfalls at ANN?
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kaorv
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I find the fact that the female headgear resembles a traditional shinto marriage garment called a "horn cover", given 002's oni horns. Thanks for bringing that up! (Side note: I love the rising popularity of girls with horns that stemmed from the popularity of monster girls.)
I will admit that I only thoroughly read the forum for the TWIA column, but that has not been what I have seen here. Maybe it's because TWIA tends to cover a lot of discourse? I mean, the Welcome to a Ballroom thread was a shitstorm where people were talking about the death of Western values, and that all started with the heteronormativity comment. |
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Realquick
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My argument was asking for more straight stuff. They should let things be. Especially for an anime from a country that's dominantly straight in a world that's like 99% straight. And who knows if gay things will come in later.
I said decent gay stuff they let it's other downsides slide. If it's bad they'll call it out because it poorly reps gays.
More like because one of their arguments is summed up as "it's not gay enough". |
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Galap
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I think we've had enough of this aspect of this topic; things are floating off into the incivility range.
Personally, I don't think it's fair to criticize Darling in the FranXX for not choosing to make itself about certain topics (for example homosexual relationships) To me it would be a bit like criticizing it for, say, not being about the people who design the FranXX robots... I mean, if you feel that way that's OK but do you see how that's kind of a non-starter in terms of discussion? There sure are a lot of anime out there that aren't about anything that I care about, but whatever; I just don't watch them. The problem here is that everyone's arguing in a loop about a counterfactual, rather than anything that's actually about the show itself and what it's doing. And that's what bothers me about this kind of thing in general; that these kind of complaints drag the discussion into being about themselves rather than what's actually going on. |
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