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VerQuality
Joined: 01 Oct 2016
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:48 pm
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I feel like I've been waiting for this article since the show started. As others have pointed out, you can go pretty deep into the mecha+sex rabbit hole, but I think the article does a good job covering the most direct brethren of Franxx.
I'm definitely enjoying the series so far, and I really, really hope they can pull everything together in a satisfying way. They've laid a solid groundwork, but it somehow still feels like it could go tumbling sideways. This very much feels like the kind of series where they get so caught up explaining the sci-fi setting that they forget to resolve the actual theme.
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Sakagami Tomoyo
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:40 pm
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I'm glad Eureka Seven is getting its due recognition here. It, like most other BONES productions, is a very good show that's very well made and has a decent following, but never really set the anime world on fire and seems mostly forgotten after a little while.
Agent355 wrote: | the characters themselves are sexually ignorant and naïve. Zero 2 is ostensibly an exception, but we don't know how much she knows, and some of her info ("kissing=ownership") is obviously based on misinterpretation of stuff she learned or her own (wrong) ideas. |
This is an angle that I suspect isn't getting as much attention as it should; in all of this no-one's actually telling the kids about it, so they work things out with the information and examples they have... but without actual good information being given to them, they draw incorrect conclusions. This does pop up elsewhere, with varying degrees of subtlety - notably at the unsubtle end of the scale, Shimoneta.
Agent355 wrote: | The contrast makes watching the show unpredictable and even a bit unsettling--before every episode I'm wondering if its going to feature a super sexual piloting scene, a completely innocent exploration of children's feelings or both. |
Which, to my mind at least, means they're succeeding very well; because what is adolescent awakening to sexuality if not unpredictable and a bit unsettling? (Both for the adolescent involved and an already adult observer, such as a parent or aunt/uncle.)
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Chrono1000
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:08 am
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meiam wrote: | I'm just bummed that nowadays mech equal sex more often than not. |
Well the last several mecha shows were Knight's & Magic, Heavy Object, Macross Delta, Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans, and Aldnoah.Zero. There have been a wide variety of mecha shows over the decades and mecha shows with a sexual subtext would include Vandread from 2000 and Simoun from 2006. Also DARLING in the FRANXX is a tame show when compared to some past mecha shows such as Valvrave the Liberator.
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Gemnist
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:25 am
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We all know that Code Geass has the best sexual imagery though. Thanks for everything, Kallen.
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harminia
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:37 am
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My favourite lines in Aquarian Logos:
"What's wrong with a threesome?"
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"Why is everyone naked?"
Anyway I'd like to mention Daimidaler. I mean it's super porny and the main couple don't really evolve but the second couple (who literally are a couple at the start), kind of do because they learn to be more sexually aware and learn that there's lewder stuff out there than just holding hands. Whether that's a good thing or not I don't know but I guess there's a sexual awakening there.
I mean, until her boyfriend got turned into a penguin.
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BlueAlf
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:14 am
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harminia wrote: | My favourite lines in Aquarian Logos:
"What's wrong with a threesome?"
and
"Why is everyone naked?"
Anyway I'd like to mention Daimidaler. I mean it's super porny and the main couple don't really evolve but the second couple (who literally are a couple at the start), kind of do because they learn to be more sexually aware and learn that there's lewder stuff out there than just holding hands. Whether that's a good thing or not I don't know but I guess there's a sexual awakening there.
I mean, until her boyfriend got turned into a penguin. |
I can't believe I forgot about those lines. I agree with you wholeheartedly on Daimidaler too.
Man, I really forgot about Vandread. It was pretty good.
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KingLusterKole
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:09 am
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JacobC wrote: |
Lord Geo wrote: | Really? An entire article about sexual innuendo in mech anime, and not a single reference or even allusion to the 70s or even 80s? We're just going to ignore Breast Missiles, "Navel Missiles" that are fired more from the crotch than the gut, & Quattro Bajeena, among other examples?
I'm not complaining or anything like that, but it is a bit odd to act like mech anime didn't really feature any sort of sexuality to them until Evangelion. |
The article is speaking more specifically about shows that use "piloting a mech" as a metaphor for the process of becoming an adult, usually through sexual maturation. So it's not just cockpits that look like dicks or robots that shoot missiles from questionable areas. It has to center around the character's relationship with their robot on a more central subtextual level. |
not even going back as far as the 80's or 90's...in the year 2000. one of my favorite anime came out called Vandread. Basically it's the anime version of "Men are from Mar, Women are from Venus" because in the anime Men were from one Planet and Women were from another, and I am so confused and quite frankly upset that Vandread wasn't mention because it pretty much personify this article premise of sexual maturation through giant robot. I mean for crying out loud hibiki (the male protagonist) coming from a world of solely men is able to form giant mechs with Dita, Meia, or Jura (the Female Co-protagonist) also coming from a world of solely Women, either individually or altogether. this anime took men for a men only world and women from a women only world. throw them in a spaceship and just let them cohabitant together. Also (just throwing this out there) Buzam (the Sub-commander of the womens half of the space ship) was later found out to be a man so there is a hint of the Queer aspect mention in the article. needless to say Vandread in MANY way personify this article as not just a sexual Maturation, but a sexual awakening and it is more then qualify to be mention in the article. and to anyone that hasn't seen it I highly.....HIGHLY recommend it.
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Triltaison
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:23 am
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Kicksville wrote: | Don't watch De:vadasy |
Came to basically say this. Watched it with no knowledge and ended up rolling my eyes the whole time.
I sort've expected a passing reference to Vandread, though.
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jr240483
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:12 am
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jroa wrote: | It is a shame the author was not interested in discussing Godannar then, because while the easy route would be to dismiss the show for purely superficial reasons, it actually does have some decent things to say about different types of relationships while still channeling the spirit of old school Super Robot shows. I found it more enjoyable than Aquarion Evol in some ways despite not having the same staff pedigree. |
i definitely enjoyed the first one as well as EVOL! it definitely hit the fanservice right. Logos on the other hand , ehhhh yea. its fine but definitely left a lot to be desired. it was pretty clear they toned down the fanservice very mightily for that series.
also comparing franxx with eva is like comparing night and day. for one thing hiro is clearly not as annoying as shinji with his self loathing. and zero two more or less similar personawise to the main female character from FLCL. not completely void of emotion like ayanami!
not to mention that unlike his relationship with zero two, he pretty much despises asuka. and i highly doubt hiro will be entering any possible psuedo yaoi relationships anytime soon like what happened between him and karou. RIGHT? RIGHT??!
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meiam
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:12 pm
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Chrono1000 wrote: |
meiam wrote: | I'm just bummed that nowadays mech equal sex more often than not. |
Well the last several mecha shows were Knight's & Magic, Heavy Object, Macross Delta, Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans, and Aldnoah.Zero. There have been a wide variety of mecha shows over the decades and mecha shows with a sexual subtext would include Vandread from 2000 and Simoun from 2006. Also DARLING in the FRANXX is a tame show when compared to some past mecha shows such as Valvrave the Liberator. |
I wouldn't really consider heavy object a mech show and delta is kinda weird with mech equal magic song.
My sentiment is more "I'm bummed that nowadays mech rarely equal mech"
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Chrno2
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:26 pm
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I thought I might add this thinking about the first comment relating to the 70's mecha shows.
Anyone that might remember a show called Magne Robo Gakeen. Known in English as Magnos. Two pilots, interlocking bodies that form a full robot body. Full synchronization in order for the robot to move. Yes, before Asuka and Shinji had to learn how to synchronize, well...this was both joining of bodies and symmetrical docking.
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Chrono1000
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:53 pm
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meiam wrote: | I wouldn't really consider heavy object a mech show and delta is kinda weird with mech equal magic song. |
Delta was somewhat heavy on the idol part even for a Macross show but it still had plenty of battles in it. Macross would be a popular mecha series if it ever gets out of licensing purgatory.
meiam wrote: | My sentiment is more "I'm bummed that nowadays mech rarely equal mech" |
Gundam is usually good at that.
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#861208
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:05 pm
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Code Geass is so sexual, but the actual character relationships are much more romantic (and platonically loving) than hormone-charged sex.
Then again, the mecha are sort of just there for Sunrise to finance the show. It would be pretty much the same story with just the psychic powers and no robots. The psychic powers and robots aren't even connected.
Lulu's hips though <3
Chrono1000 wrote: | Also DARLING in the FRANXX is a tame show when compared to some past mecha shows such as Valvrave the Liberator. |
That was literally one scene.
It also wasn't played as sexy at all, it was played as horrifying. It was horrifying. It was crafted the same way as two episodes earlier when another character got horribly killed.
Literally. Watch the series. Skip the last five minutes of episode 10. Come back and talk to me about it.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . no, seriously, someone talk to me about X-eins.
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meiam
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:08 pm
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Chrono1000 wrote: |
meiam wrote: | My sentiment is more "I'm bummed that nowadays mech rarely equal mech" |
Gundam is usually good at that. |
Yeah it's pretty much just gundam at this point, but it tend to be very hit or miss with me. I'm actively trying to scrap every last bits of memory I have of IBO S2 and thunderbolt was awesome but so short.
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DangerMouse
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:21 pm
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Nice read.
Really enjoying the show so far (watching the great simuldub), though I agree with VerQuality that we're still early enough that it could go either way in terms of the heights it can manage to reach like if it can take it to the next level and deliver when the even bigger things come like some of the classics we're talking about.
Something I'm looking forward to thanks to the exciting execution of those parts in GL and KLK (and some of the others mentioned in the article and thread).
catbot158 wrote: | What better way to influence Japan's youth to repopulate the country than through giant robots? |
Chrno2 wrote: | I'm kind of surprised that 'Godannar' didn't make a connection. Since much of the premise of the show was mecha and marriage. That was the closest.
Even 'Iczer-1', which I later learned more of it's "yuri" roots, revolved around the true meaning of "synchronization". As the host was a battery for the robot. But the true internalized feelings gave the robot more power than required. |
Yeah, that's another good show to mention.
Yup.
Also Iczer-1 was one of my early favs in my early anime watching thanks to how badass Iczer-1 was.
Gemnist wrote: | We all know that Code Geass has the best sexual imagery though. Thanks for everything, Kallen. |
KingLusterKole wrote: | not even going back as far as the 80's or 90's...in the year 2000. one of my favorite anime came out called Vandread. Basically it's the anime version of "Men are from Mar, Women are from Venus" because in the anime Men were from one Planet and Women were from another, and I am so confused and quite frankly upset that Vandread wasn't mention because it pretty much personify this article premise of sexual maturation through giant robot. I mean for crying out loud hibiki (the male protagonist) coming from a world of solely men is able to form giant mechs with Dita, Meia, or Jura (the Female Co-protagonist) also coming from a world of solely Women, either individually or altogether. this anime took men for a men only world and women from a women only world. throw them in a spaceship and just let them cohabitant together. Also (just throwing this out there) Buzam (the Sub-commander of the womens half of the space ship) was later found out to be a man so there is a hint of the Queer aspect mention in the article. needless to say Vandread in MANY way personify this article as not just a sexual Maturation, but a sexual awakening and it is more then qualify to be mention in the article. and to anyone that hasn't seen it I highly.....HIGHLY recommend it. |
Hell yes, such a great show.
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