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Cardcaptor Takato



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:43 pm Reply with quote
I've never seen the original anime or read the light novels so I have no bone in this fight. I have confidence Madhouse will be able to turn out a professionally well made product, but whether it's the norm or not, it is bad form and disrespectful to the original creator to completely disregard their input. Whether fans like the final anime product or not, the creator is just as entitled to be dissatisfied they weren't at least consulted about it as much as fans are entitled to defend Madhouse. I don't know what the norm is for anime adaptations of light novels and manga consulting the original author, but when it comes to Western Hollywood adaptations of books and comics, the adaptation rarely turns out well when the original author isn't at least consulted in the production, so I think the author is right to be at least concerned that they want an adaptation of something they spent a lot of time and hard work in creating will turn out in a way that represents their creation in a enjoyable way.
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Sylontack



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:41 pm Reply with quote
While it's pretty poor form to drag them through to mud over it over twitter, I don't totally disagree (very excited for the new Boogiepop but don't 100% agree with the designs).
That said; the Boogiepop Phantom designs didn't do an awful lot for me either, besides Nagi.

I do love the art in the novels though. I'm still not totally sure what this new series is meant to adapt. I've only read Boogiepop and Others and the first half of VS Imaginator but just about none of the trailer that's out seems to correspond to any of the scenes I've read, even though I was under the impression that this would be an adaptation of the first novel. (while there's tonnes more that I haven't read and the first novel wouldn't cover a season without being slow and over-padded anyway- I'll acknowledge that).
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Pierrot.



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:42 pm Reply with quote
I'm laughing at the people who think Madhouse aren't in the wrong and shouldn't have to consult the artist. Just put yourself in his shoes. Imagine doing the art for a novel for years and then the next day you wake up to see a PV for an anime based off your own designs and you weren't even aware. This is completely disrespectful.
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BlueAlf



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:30 pm Reply with quote
Honestly speaking, I do think the new key visual lacks the aesthetic of the original series.

I remember Boogiepop Phantom's visuals having this determined, brooding aura. In comparison, I think the heroine in the new key visual seems sort of absent-minded.
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SkyLETV34



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:46 pm Reply with quote
At least these designs are pretty, on the other hand, those of Alderamin on the Sky by the same Madhouse...
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TarsTarkas



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:01 am Reply with quote
The illustrator for a written novel has no say for how a live action TV series or movie would depict the characters or background. It's like saying that the movie studio would have to consult Darrell K. Sweet (illustrator), instead of Robert Jordan (author) for a Wheel of Time adaptation.

Sorry George Lucas, but the your Star Wars characters have to look like Ralph McQuarrie's rendition.

Japanese Light Novels are still the written word and it is the author who would have any say, not the illustrator of such novels.

You can bet the animation studio and the entities in the production committee are going to remember this. When money is on the line, you don't mess with the show until after it is over.
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Tempest_Wing



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:32 am Reply with quote
Could ANN not have looked at the actual tweets to see what he actually said? I mean, if he's legitimately griping about the characters, I could get on board of because the girl in the poster looks bland and could easily have appeared in any other anime show. But a vague "I'm pissed off and angry" doesn't really tell me much.
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Pierrot.



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:00 am Reply with quote
TarsTarkas wrote:
The illustrator for a written novel has no say for how a live action TV series or movie would depict the characters or background. It's like saying that the movie studio would have to consult Darrell K. Sweet (illustrator), instead of Robert Jordan (author) for a Wheel of Time adaptation.

Sorry George Lucas, but the your Star Wars characters have to look like Ralph McQuarrie's rendition.

Japanese Light Novels are still the written word and it is the author who would have any say, not the illustrator of such novels.

You can bet the animation studio and the entities in the production committee are going to remember this. When money is on the line, you don't mess with the show until after it is over.

Using a live action show as an example is pretty dumb because something that can work in one medium won't work in another like live action.
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Dian Z



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:32 am Reply with quote
TarsTarkas wrote:
The illustrator for a written novel has no say for how a live action TV series or movie would depict the characters or background. It's like saying that the movie studio would have to consult Darrell K. Sweet (illustrator), instead of Robert Jordan (author) for a Wheel of Time adaptation.

Sorry George Lucas, but the your Star Wars characters have to look like Ralph McQuarrie's rendition.

Japanese Light Novels are still the written word and it is the author who would have any say, not the illustrator of such novels.

You can bet the animation studio and the entities in the production committee are going to remember this. When money is on the line, you don't mess with the show until after it is over.


I have stated this in my previous post, buy you might want to consider that Ogata is credited as the original character designer, that kinda mean that they adapt the illustration/design accompanying the novel too. That's gotta say something I think.
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Dardre



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:15 am Reply with quote
Dian Z wrote:
I have stated this in my previous post, buy you might want to consider that Ogata is credited as the original character designer, that kinda mean that they adapt the illustration/design accompanying the novel too. That's gotta say something I think.


Not really. It's simply acknowledging him. I do find it interesting that in the Orphan news article, the illustrator for that novel series was contacted by the editor of the light novels about the new anime, not by the animation company.

So I have to ask again (and please, no speculation or deduction, I'm looking for facts): Is an animation company expected to contact the illustrator of a light novel property when planning an adaptation?
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Shiratori-san



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:28 am Reply with quote
I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion, but (and this is how I honestly feel)...

All in all (and this is not about this particular series or studio), all that matters is that anime art had really started to become hideous in this last decade. All art style looks the same, colors and light effect are way excessive (enough of those glass eyes that emanate light already) and character designs do not have a single unique point about them, they are generic and if you see a picture of an anime character you probably won't be able to guess who it is, even though you've watched the anime. All looks like cheap visual novels. I miss the traditional feeling, variety and originality of the past. The only thing that got better was the backgrounds. Kudos for shows that look different, like Hisone to Masotan, for example.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:57 am Reply with quote
^^So just because some art styles are similar to some others, that is what makes it ugly to look at? what. You must have not seen a whole lot of shows recently and merely glossed over them, but yet you still try to project your stance on here anyway that people won’t be able to remember any character from any show that they’ve watched and that’s extremely unfair and untrue. Three quick examples of character designs from last year in Little Witch Academia, Made in Abyss, and Land of the Lustrous are all quite not generic, so your claim that all modern designs look like cheap visual novels is quite silly. It’s completely at odds with reality. Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:28 am Reply with quote
Joshua Zarate wrote:
^^So just because some art styles are similar to some others, that is what makes it ugly to look at? what. You must have not seen a whole lot of shows recently and merely glossed over them, but yet you still try to project your stance on here anyway that people won’t be able to remember any character from any show that they’ve watched and that’s extremely unfair and untrue. Three quick examples of character designs from last year in Little Witch Academia, Made in Abyss, and Land of the Lustrous are all quite not generic, so your claim that all modern designs look like cheap visual novels is quite silly. It’s completely at odds with reality. Confused


I'm not sure how bringing up extreme exceptions to the rule changes the fact that you could put the key visuals to the new Boogiepop, Persona 5, Steins;Gate 0 and Re: Tokyo Ghoul next to each other, and then easily convince anyone who doesn't know the visuals' context that they're the exact same show.

Modern urban fantasy anime uses embarrassingly identical visual patterns that are basically "pseudo-live-action through the lense of Makoto Shinkai and with a dash of moe tossed in". It's a fair thing to criticize.
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BadNewsBlues



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:28 am Reply with quote
Kadmos1 wrote:
At least he's not George Lucas.


So what is he an unpleaseable, whiny, adult, complaining about new something looks and how the old thing was better?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:41 am Reply with quote
She looks a bit Lain
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