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Comic LO Manga Magazine to Have 'Important Announcement' on May 21


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yurihellsing





PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:00 am Reply with quote
Kougeru wrote:
primarinas wrote:
I'm really hoping this is the end of things. It'd be good to see Japan crack down on child pornography. Hopefully this extends to other publications/anthologies (and then doujinshi) as well. It's difficult to regulate everything, but... well, it'd be good to see what changes it'd bring, should this actually be the end of Comic LO.


You made a new account just to post this? There is no evidence that "LO" is harmful to anyone. There's some evidence that it actually "distracts" people from going after the real stuff. This magazine ending would not be a good thing. This is NOT child porn. There's no children involved. You (and people with similar flawed logic) need to learn/understand the difference between drawings and real life. That's the only truly dangerous thing here - people that think drawings and real life are the same thing.


I'd save your fingers the work there's no arguing with people who're virtue signalling.
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Kougeru



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:02 am Reply with quote
@yurihellsing you're probably right but I thought I would need to post a similar message at some point in this thread so I figured why not right there
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:34 am Reply with quote
Good, let it end. Doesn't matter how saccharine the cover art is if what's inside is predatory. That almost makes it even worse, actually. It's like they're trying to associate what's inside the magazine with drawings of "real life", in a way. And associating porn with real life is something that should never be done.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:38 am Reply with quote
It's prob just a price increase.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:41 am Reply with quote
The girl on the cover looks like Dora the Explorer..
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principeinquisidor



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:43 am Reply with quote
Well, shit, this announcement of an announcement has scared so much the people on the Japanese and Chinese otaku community that even found his way here on Anime News Network, not a common sight by the way. To explain what I think about this whole situation I will copy & paste the comment I made on ExHentai:

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I have done my research and it seems that the serious and unhappy announcement will be about a pretty big rise on the price of the magazine. Japan has a consumption tax of 8% since April 1st of 2014 and before that was 5%, also in Japan you need to state the price of a product both before tax and after tax, specially on books and magazines and from now on I will refer to the price before tax as base price and the price after tax as full price. The base price of the Comic LO has always been 648 yens since its first issue published on September of 2002, the only thing that has changed is the full price after the rise of the tax on April 2014, before that was 680 yens, after that was changed to 700 yens. Now after looking to the launch schedule of Akaneshinsha for the month of June, I find that the Comic LO 2018-08 issue will be published on June 21th and has a special base price of 815 yens, that is, a rise from the regular base price of 25.77%. A special price is basically a price that is selected by the publisher for a specific issue of a magazine for whatever reason and that is the opposite to a regular price that apply to all the issues of a magazine until a change is decided. Searching on Akaneshinsha website I discovered that Comic Tenma suffered a similar problem to what is happening now with the Comic LO. The regular base price of the Comic Tenma until the 2014-12 issue was 648 yens, same as Comic LO, but then both the 2015-01 issue and the 2015-02 issue were published with a special base price of 741 yens and after that the 2015-03 issue got a regular base price of 722 yens, that remained the same until the 2016-05 issue, the last issue. So looking to all of that data I could predict that we will get the Comic LO 2018-08 with a special base price of 815 yens and then we will get the next issue with a regular base price higher than the current regular base price, how much is unknown to me, but I could be as high as a 25.77% more, that is, if they decided to choose the special price of the 2018-08 issue as the new regular base price. Why they are rising the regular base price after nearly 16 years is unknown to me, but it looks like they will explain on the Comic LO 2018-07 issue all about this new change to the regular base price of the magazine. As a curious note, the most expensive magazine of Akaneshinsha right now is Towako with a regular base price of 926 yens and a regular full price of 1000 yens, although Towako is not a monthly magazine as the Comic LO and normally only get published two times per year.


As an addendum to my quoted comment I want to say that Akaneshinsha has stopped the publication of five magazines on the last two years and they are: Comic Tenma, Comic Sigma, Juicy, Kanjuku Monogatari and Comic Saseco. Right now Akaneshinsha is publishing only five magazines, Comic Koh and Comic LO, both are monthly and independent magazines, Towako and Girls for M, both are published semiannually as special editions of the Comic LO and Koushoku Shounen, published semiannually as a special edition of Comic Koh. So Akaneshinsha have no qualms to stop the publication of whatever magazine, being the most iconic killed magazine the Comic Tenma, the mother of Tenma Comics, their current adult label, but like I explained before in my quote comment this looks like they are only adjusting the price of the magazine, maybe they are trying to balance their finances, that could explain all the killed magazines and the rise of the price of the Comic LO.

Sorry for the long ass comment, but I am a big fan of Takamichi, Comic LO and Akaneshinsha.
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Yune Amagiri



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:59 am Reply with quote
Kougeru wrote:
You (and people with similar flawed logic) need to learn/understand the difference between drawings and real life. That's the only truly dangerous thing here - people that think drawings and real life are the same thing.


Totally agree ... This mindset became more and more problematic recently, every single fan i met during convention and such couldn't care less about their fetish in real life, simply because 2D ISN'T real, If 2D things were so dangerous we would be long since killed by the hundreds of millions of players of realistics mass killing game such as FPS , remind me the recent topic " Why Are People More Upset By Nudity Than Violence?"


Thank you @principeinquisidor for the explanations.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:59 am Reply with quote
InimitableUman wrote:
Good, let it end. Doesn't matter how saccharine the cover art is if what's inside is predatory. That almost makes it even worse, actually. It's like they're trying to associate what's inside the magazine with drawings of "real life", in a way. And associating porn with real life is something that should never be done.


LO has always explicitly run ads & notices that its content are fantasy and that no one should ever touch or harm an actual child, stop talking out of ignorance. If anything, I wish more purveyors of pornography made a point of drawing a clear line between their fictional works and actual acceptable relationship behavior.
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yurihellsing





PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:22 pm Reply with quote
VORTIA wrote:
InimitableUman wrote:
Good, let it end. Doesn't matter how saccharine the cover art is if what's inside is predatory. That almost makes it even worse, actually. It's like they're trying to associate what's inside the magazine with drawings of "real life", in a way. And associating porn with real life is something that should never be done.


LO has always explicitly run ads & notices that its content are fantasy and that no one should ever touch or harm an actual child, stop talking out of ignorance. If anything, I wish more purveyors of pornography made a point of drawing a clear line between their fictional works and actual acceptable relationship behavior.


Dude save it like I said before there is no room for argument with a virtue signaller.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:27 pm Reply with quote
primarinas wrote:
I'm really hoping this is the end of things. It'd be good to see Japan crack down on child pornography. Hopefully this extends to other publications/anthologies (and then doujinshi) as well. It's difficult to regulate everything, but... well, it'd be good to see what changes it'd bring, should this actually be the end of Comic LO.


Hopefully that's NOT the case. Comic LO is what apparently is maintaining lots of real life lolicons in check with 2D anime lolis for treatment (in fact, the magazine's motto is all about that).

I would hate to see they going for real ones if the magazine were to stop publishing as some kind of sick twist to this tale, especially if it would be some sort of protest, as no matter what punishment they may get, it will be too late for the kids.

As long as they are doing no harm to anyone, it's fine. These are just drawings anyway. It's pretty ironic though, because people in the UK and in the US loves to poke Japan about this (even about non-hentai, like ecchi manga), and yet, they have a far bigger numbers than the country which apparently propagates so much the content.

People sometimes link articles about child abuse (mostly non-sexual, which in Japan is a far bigger problem, for bullying issues and such) and use the argument that many of the cases aren't reported, but that goes both ways for every country, and anything otherwise are non-concrete rumors. Just last year, Japan had like 30000 cases of child abuse, of which only 97 were reported as sexual abuse, just to show some numbers. The US, and particularly the UK, who was directly attacking Japan in that front little time ago because of manga? Last year for the UK (Japan has the double of the population, in case anyone is wondering, btw), 6129 offenses in the same period of time. As for the US, the numbers were above 63.000 reported cases in 2010 and, if this source is to be as reliable as the last one, about 40.400 cases in 2015 (not sure about the situation in 2017, but it could be just as bad), the US having 3 times the population of Japan, for the sake of comparison.

It's funny how the numbers in Japan are so low and decreased so much compared to what they were before 2013 (http://www.fmu.ac.jp/home/public_h/ebm/materials/images/5.Terui_Recent%20trend%20of%20child%20sexual%20abuse%20handout.pdf), with less than 1000 reported cases around that time.

Even if you count the Act on the Protection of Specially Designated Secrets as being possible risk for this kind of sensible information propagation, the numbers already were far lower than the numbers we got in each country in that same period of time as well.

The numbers of child pornography cases (production, distribution and possession) are far bigger than the number of actual cases, and many of those are pretty much self inflicted by posting nudes on the internet.

In any case, it's great that this is only a rise on the price.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:34 pm Reply with quote
CatSword wrote:
primarinas wrote:
I'm really hoping this is the end of things. It'd be good to see Japan crack down on child pornography. Hopefully this extends to other publications/anthologies (and then doujinshi) as well. It's difficult to regulate everything, but... well, it'd be good to see what changes it'd bring, should this actually be the end of Comic LO.


I really hope Japan's more focused on real child pornography, which is still a problem there since possession was only made illegal a few years ago, rather than drawings. Rolling Eyes

I don't think that Comic LO will shut down immediately because it contains mostly on child pornography. But the thing is being a lolicon is not the same as a pedophiles as what other people think! I'd found this blog from a *ahem* adult website, doujins.com that foretells about the difference between a lolicon & a pedophile: https://doujins.com/blog/hentai-facts-about-lolicon-238. In fact, Comic LO doesn't contributes pedophilia on their monthly magazine as what I'd shown you the link & they even have an infomercial regarding on the problems of a lolicon person & it can be cured through a psychological help.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:23 pm Reply with quote
primarinas wrote:
I'm really hoping this is the end of things. It'd be good to see Japan crack down on child pornography. Hopefully this extends to other publications/anthologies (and then doujinshi) as well. It's difficult to regulate everything, but... well, it'd be good to see what changes it'd bring, should this actually be the end of Comic LO.


They should be focusing their effort on real child porn; not drawings.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:55 pm Reply with quote
As I recall, there's been a lot of pressure on Japan to crack down on these kinds of publications in the runup to the 2020 Olympics. If that's what this announcement is about, I'm surprised it's happening so early, but that's the only thing about it that surprises me.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:45 pm Reply with quote
yurihellsing wrote:
VORTIA wrote:
InimitableUman wrote:
Good, let it end. Doesn't matter how saccharine the cover art is if what's inside is predatory. That almost makes it even worse, actually. It's like they're trying to associate what's inside the magazine with drawings of "real life", in a way. And associating porn with real life is something that should never be done.


LO has always explicitly run ads & notices that its content are fantasy and that no one should ever touch or harm an actual child, stop talking out of ignorance. If anything, I wish more purveyors of pornography made a point of drawing a clear line between their fictional works and actual acceptable relationship behavior.


Dude save it like I said before there is no room for argument with a virtue signaller.

I speak only from my own opinions, formed on my own. I hardly know what virtue signaling is. I don't have any real want to argue either, so I'm just gonna leave it there.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:18 pm Reply with quote
I never going to understand people that get upset with drawings, particularly other anime fans, because if we use their logic against them it turns out most of their hentai and waifus are underage too.


Any kind of thought policing is extremely wrong, I don't know if you realize it, but the people that consumes or creates this kind of thing is not doing any damage or bothering anyone, the people that get angry with this are intentionally doing it because it's not something that would affect you in any way, it's like going into a furry convention and getting upset because of furrys. But, you know who is causing damage? the people that thinks it's right to criminalize someone else thoughts, even when there are proof that it's harmless, even when the majority of the community insists they are not interested in the real thing at all since the beginning of internet.

How much of a cynical mother fucker you have to be to seriously stand in front of a completely innocent otaku in any possible aspect and say "YOU DESERVE TO BE IN JAIL WITH CHILD RAPISTS, MURDERERS,ETC BECAUSE I THINK YOUR DRAWINGS ARE DISGUSTING"

Sorry, but from my point of view and anyone that slightly respects freedom you are the criminal here.
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