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INTEREST: Is Love Really Difficult for Otaku? Part 2: Women's Responses


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 2:58 pm Reply with quote
Compelled to Reply wrote:

Something tells me the survey was conducted in Akihabara or at an anime-related even, so I doubt it. Consequently, the survey sample would be biased if that was the case.


With previous surveys on Anime! Anime!, I'm pretty sure all the answers were provided via a form online not in person.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 4:16 pm Reply with quote
Agent355 wrote:
Yeah, I posted about that in the Men's Response thread. One study from 2008 found a rate of 181 kids in 10,000 with Pervasive Developmental Disorders in the city of Toyota. I take it with a grain of salt, because it's a *really* high number in a very limited study, but if there's some truth to it, it could help explain the aspects of relationships the respondents struggle with:
https://www.focusforhealth.org/autism-rates-across-the-developed-world/


Your link says that that recorded rate is lower than America's. And from what I've read, the bulk of evidence suggests that variances in autism diagnoses between different times and countries are mainly due to varying degrees of underdiagnosis rather than variance of incidence.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 5:05 pm Reply with quote
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Wrangler wrote:
Interesting see what their responses were. I wonder if there fringe fans and people who are hiding that never spoke or took the survey. Japan pretty harsh (even in the US) about hobbies that maybe viewed as child-like or immature.

Something tells me the survey was conducted in Akihabara or at an anime-related even, so I doubt it. Consequently, the survey sample would be biased if that was the case.

Also, whether an otaku or not, asking people whether love is hard would likely render comparable results. Relationships are a pretty complicated matter. As evident in the responses, not everybody is actively looking.

Agent355 wrote:
It's a chicken-and-egg thing. People who have a hard time connecting socially (for a variety of reasons, including Japan's relatively high rate of reported Autism with relatively few supports for people on the high end of the spectrum), are more likely to center their hobbies in their lives over more difficult relationships. It makes a lot of sense. Social and activities groups for young adults who need more friends, platonic and romantic, will help them a lot. Sometimes you need the right, supportive environment and the assurance that no one will make fun of you for being "different" in whatever ways you perceive yourself to be different.

Few supports? It might be the case outside major cities, but from what I've seen, local governments do a lot for disabilities support. I mean, Japan invented tactile paving. I don't have autism, but diagnosed with bipolar disorder as a child, I can attest to how ineffective services can be here in the United States, and don't appear to have improved after all these years.

In America, support for neurological spectrum issues like Autism and ADHD are incredibly lopsided, depending way too much on age of diagnoses and the school district the child lives in. I am training as a Mental Health Peer Specialist in New York State, and what has become clear to me in years of living and working in the system is that despite neurological conditions being life long (and manageable), if someone didn't get properly diagnosed and treated before they turned 18 they are not eligible for services provided by the Office of People with Developmental Disabilities (OPWDD) and end up getting less specified, less effective services from the Office of Mental Health and Hygiene instead (OMH). One complaint I had through training was that we weren't taught any techniques that will help adults with neurological conditions (or co-morbidity, there are plenty of adults with Autism who also suffer from anxiety disorders, depression and the like). I personally know someone who was diagnosed with Autism at age 39 and was told that getting her better services would be tricky because, since OPWDD and OMH are completely separate entities on the City and State level, switching can mean risking her current OMH benefits, including her housing (New York City has a really great Supported Affordable Housing program for adults with diagnosed Mental Health disability, and a *separate* housing program for adults with Developmental Disabilities like Autism (their categorization, not mine), but people tend to only qualify for the latter if they were properly diagnosed before 18 or they suffered a traumatic brain injury. It's bureaucratic and doesn't reflect the latest findings that many people aren't diagnosed properly as children, and support services still don't reflect that. In fact, until recently, it was hard to find an organization that would test adults for Autism at all.

I imagine that with the lack of mental health programs in Japan than in America it's even harder to get proper supports there, but to be fair the only information I'm familiar with on Autism in Japan are that study I linked and the manga With the Light, and both focus on people diagnosed as children. If someone wasn't diagnosed properly as a child, like my friend, what resources do they have?
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:24 pm Reply with quote
I am not overly surprised knowing the culture of giving up your career as soon as you're married or after the first child for women. I think most people would agree they would like to not be relegated to certain gender roles. Some people are fine with more domestic roles, but the key difference is being forced versus having a choice.

Digital characters permit you to have more autonomy over your lives, especially with finances and travel. I am speaking as a martied individual myself who lived with my spouse before we got married. Our finances and plans were relatively intertwined since moving in together. I happened to get lucky and marry a geek like myself. Even then, our interests sometimes clash. While other times our interests are in sync. We're a fujo/fudan couple.

Overall, love is indeed hard. It is a huge commitment in terms of emotional needs, finances, and time. I wouldn't suggest it for people who aren't willing to give it their all for someone else.

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 11:00 pm Reply with quote
rizuchan wrote:
I've heard that recently, Japan has made a lot of strides for physical accessability, but in terms of mental health accommodation, Justin's fairly recent Answerman column on "Why Don't Anime Characters go to Therapy?" begs to differ. I have ADHD and I've heard that it's basically not acknowledged in Japan, and the medications are illegal. And although I understand why stimulant medication would be ripe for abuse in a country like Japan (and bans on it are hardly exclusive to Japan), on the other hand it breaks my heart thinking of kids having to go through what I did on top of having such an immense pressure to study.

Therapy is only one of many treatments, and can be inefficient in government-dominated healthcare like in Japan. You heard wrong from whoever claimed ADHD is not acknowledged, complete with the "pressure" stereotype, rather it isn't something to give people special treatment when you want to hold everybody to the same standard and access to opportunities. Open up any psychology journal, and a good chunk of the content is from Japan.

I wouldn't be surprised if Adderall is approved in Japan if Takeda Pharmaceuticals is successful in acquiring Shire, a major manufacturer of it. It's usually poor understanding of Japan's strict pharmaceutical regulation which is why many foreign drugs aren't approved. You also have greater accountability, with scandals such as an Green Cross HIV scandal in the 80s, or a single death from "the pill" recently, which can destroy a company.

octopodpie wrote:
With previous surveys on Anime! Anime!, I'm pretty sure all the answers were provided via a form online not in person.

Heh, well it would be even more biased when the internet shields people with anonymity and ability to express their hobbies with less embarrassment.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 12:00 pm Reply with quote
I really think that it's all about separating reality from fantasy. Just don't set up unrealistic expectations, and you should be fine.

I'm happily married and my husband accepts that I have "fictional" husbands.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 9:19 pm Reply with quote
While both had communication problems at heart, I think there was still some interesting nuances in the responses. I imagine it's similar for some of the guys and we just didn't see them mentioned here, but most of the guy responses we saw are kind of what I (stereo)typically imagine they'd say, and kind of show a disconnect in how they view women.

With the women, it seems like they don't want their space treaded on, or they have a hard time finding other otaku. And the woman who had issues with the otaku boyfriend that thought it would be disgusting if she thought BL things about him? Like, yeah, that's a legit feeling to have. But the fact that she couldn't clarify to him reminds me of very similar scenarios, but with different groups, and I feel like that reflects a lot more on the concerned party. (And again, reasonable concern, but they often put the person in question in a no-win situation.)

Their responses overall reminded me a lot of Wotakoi more than the male responses did though. I wonder how often male and female otaku are watching this show and finding themselves agreeing a lot, or disagreeing vehemently.

Finally and most importantly; these ladies have great taste! So many of my fave husbands were in those lists~! I relate, ladies.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 4:18 pm Reply with quote
Wrangler wrote:
Interesting see what their responses were. I wonder if there fringe fans and people who are hiding that never spoke or took the survey. Japan pretty harsh (even in the US) about hobbies that maybe viewed as child-like or immature.

Having this all been said, my girl knows I like various things including anime. She thinks it's cartoonish, but she likes me who i am that what matters.

Problem is i think maybe that women in this survey have deal balancing things.

To be honest i thought it would be more a male issue than female, but who am i to know this? Confused


awww well aren't you two just just cute!
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