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Jose Cruz



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:44 pm Reply with quote
mbanu wrote:
Interesting follow-up to the previous thoughts on Franxx!

Might the aliens be a metaphor for foreign influence in Japan? You mentioned how heavily inspired the show seemed to be from Evangelion, which reminded me of a quote that Anno made in an interview with The Atlantic in 2007:
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“Japan lost the war to the Americans,” he explains, seeming interested in his own words for the first time during our interview. “Since that time, the education we received is not one that creates adults. Even for us, people in their 40s, and for the generation older than me, in their 50s and 60s, there’s no reasonable model of what an adult should be like.” The theory that Japan’s defeat stripped the country of its independence and led to the creation of a nation of permanent children, weaklings forced to live under the protection of the American Big Daddy, is widely shared by artists and intellectuals in Japan. It is also a staple of popular cartoons, many of which feature a well-meaning government that turns out to be a facade concealing sinister and more powerful forces.

Anno pauses for a moment, and gives a dark-browed stare out the window. “I don’t see any adults here in Japan,” he says, with a shrug. “The fact that you see salarymen reading manga and pornography on the trains and being unafraid, unashamed or anything, is something you wouldn’t have seen 30 years ago, with people who grew up under a different system of government. They would have been far too embarrassed to open a book of cartoons or dirty pictures on a train. But that’s what we have now in Japan. We are a country of children.”

(https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/let-s-die-together/305776/)

Might the premise of the show be nationalist?


I think that one shoulnd't see geopolitics everywhere. Most of the time, stuff like manga and anime have nothing to do with geopolitics. That reminds me of a reading of Attack on Titan that said that the Titans attacking the walls represented foreign nations trying to invade Japan and the collossal Titan was a metaphor for China.

I think that Darlifranxx is first about Japan's fertility issue as Japanese society is looking like it is going to collapse as nobody is having kids anymore. The show is dealing with the fact that society has been and will continued to move in the direction of people not having kids and living longer and longer, eventually reaching a situation where people don't die of old age but never have kids (i.e. immortality plus sterility). I am not sure such a society would be good or bad but it is quite an scary prospect.

Second, franxx is Gurren Lagann but with a more EVA-like adolescent psychology vibe. For example in both cases both the main characters and their enemies use giant robots (mechas, although the klaxkosaurs are kinda-off biological mechas which fused with their klaskohuman hosts). The aliens here are like just like the aliens in Gurren Lagann (the "anti-spirals"): some random evil force that seeks to destroy humanity for some random reason. By the way, Kill la Kill also had aliens. So the two foremost inspirations for Franxx also had aliens, it's a common plot device used by the people who made Franxx.

Finally I think that Anno's perception's about Japan tell us more about Anno's mongrel dog inferiority complex than about Japan. The idea that it is "wrong" for salary men to read manga and porn while commuting to work is based on the idea that what is correct is what Westerners consider correct: in the West, which is an anti-comics and anti-sex culture (on the level of public perception), these things are regarded as wrong, so Anno interprets the fact that Japan doesn't follow Western mores as being something wrong. It reflects Japan's inferiority complex regarding their own culture and the Japanese attempt to artificially self supress their cultural peculiarities in regards to Western culture. Well, self hate is also part of Japanese culture so nothing is more naturally Japanese than a cartoon director like Anno, who devoded his life to cartoons, to insult people because they enjoy cartoons. Cool

By the way, the word he uses to insult the Japanese people are that they are "not adults", as if a person wouldn't be an "adult" just because he or she appreciates something that Westerners do not often do while commuting to work. Well, first, being an "adult" is biological fact: people who already stopped growing are adults and that is not disputable, if you say being "mature" is being an "adult" that's also a problem since what is "mature" or not is ultimately subjective. A mature person is a person who engages in mature behavior and mature behavior is behavior that is considered socially appropriate. But what is considered socially appropriate varies from group to group. Hence, there is does not exist an objective notion of being "mature".
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:53 pm Reply with quote
Chester McCool wrote:
Eva itself would be a Devilman clone, given it was hugely based on it and even Anno admits he copies things from Nagai's series. The whole notion of 'show clones' seems like it gives people an excuse to act really flippant about established tropes and themes from groundbreaking series.

"Eva clone" is such a ridiculous term in itself, not to mention the fact Evangelion was basically Gunbuster 2 before that was actually a thing. Troupes and themes are a lot older than you people believe. For example, speaking of Go Nagai, he has been employing the type of fan service attributed to Gunbuster (i.e. "Gainax Bounce") prior for twenty years.

mbanu wrote:
Might the premise of the show be nationalist?

Absolutely NOT. Paralleling something with a theme as ubiquitous as apocalyptic human extinction to Japanese Nationalism because of current events like a declining birthrate and aggression from neighboring countries is absurd, as it was with Attack on Titan.

Jose Cruz wrote:
Finally I think that Anno's perception's about Japan tell us more about Anno's mongrel dog inferiority complex than about Japan. The idea that it is "wrong" for salary men to read manga and porn while commuting to work is based on the idea that what is correct is what Westerners consider correct: in the West, which is an anti-comics and anti-sex culture (on the level of public perception), these things are regarded as wrong, so Anno interprets the fact that Japan doesn't follow Western mores as being something wrong. It reflects Japan's inferiority complex regarding their own culture and the Japanese attempt to artificially self supress their cultural peculiarities in regards to Western culture. Well, self hate is also part of Japanese culture so nothing is more naturally Japanese than a cartoon director like Anno, who devoded his life to cartoons, to insult people because they enjoy cartoons. Cool

By the way, the word he uses to insult the Japanese people are that they are "not adults", as if a person wouldn't be an "adult" just because he or she appreciates something that Westerners do not often do while commuting to work. Well, first, being an "adult" is biological fact: people who already stopped growing are adults and that is not disputable, if you say being "mature" is being an "adult" that's also a problem since what is "mature" or not is ultimately subjective. A mature person is a person who engages in mature behavior and mature behavior is behavior that is considered socially appropriate. But what is considered socially appropriate varies from group to group. Hence, there is does not exist an objective notion of being "mature".

Frankly, I'd take Anno's overtly romantic perception of the modern Japanese with a grain of salt. While he can analyze and believe things how he wants, especially if reflected in his great work, remember when he also said all anime creators were "autistic?"
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