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So do I go to Otakon or the rally? Decisions, decisions.
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Chester McCool
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I'm saying both sides are advocating for violence. Go watch videos of the left assaulting and beating women in the streets, burning down buildings, and putting innocent by standards into comas from attacks and say both sides don't do bad stuff. If you want to stand up to white supremacy, fine, but pick better people to look up to than terrorists. |
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Wandering Samurai
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As one who attempted and successfully got a very coveted visa to live in Japan, while they have been trying to bring more people into the country, it certainly is not an easy process. Depending on your perspective, for me seven months waiting was a long time to wait while not having a job and just staying over there on a traveler's visa (an ill advised trek which I will not attempt again). Immigration will make you jump through every possible loop and will not bend at all in regards to if you are running out of time to be able to stay there. I had to submit everything from birth certificates, my parents and grandparents birth certificates and marriage licenses, to a background check conducted by a US governmental entity. They don't kid around in Japan if you want to stay there long term. |
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Wyvern
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Here's the difference: Antifa's goal is to stop Nazis. On a few occasions they've resorted to violence (though nine times out of ten they just chant and wave signs) which I don't condone, but you can't compare that to Nazis, whose entire goal IS violence. The Nazi alt-right has killed dozens of people. Antifa have killed no one. The Nazis' stated purpose to create "a white ethno-state" can only be achieved by slaughtering huge numbers of people, including me, my family, and anyone else who doesn't fit their narrow view of what constitutes a human being. So yeah, when there's only one side that wants millions of people to die, saying both sides are equally bad implies that our lives have no value, since you didn't see fit to factor them into your calculation. (Not to mention the fact that many images of "Antifa violence" are actually altered images of completely unrelated protests in other countries.) So unless you have an actual solution, spare us the smug, holier-than-though "both sides are the same!" rhetoric. It denies reality, helps no one, and accomplishes nothing except to stroke your own ego. I wish we could all join you in your ivory tower, but some of us have to worry about people who don't want us to exist. |
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AJ (LordNikon)
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Man, Otakon can't catch a break, a couple years ago the Baltimore riots put a major crush on the attendance.
While the permit is for 400 people, a hell of a lot more than will show up for both the rally and the counter-rally. Luckily or unfortunately in DC they don't put up with those shenanigans like Baltimore did a few years ago. If things go south, the National guard will just start smacking everyone down, protesters, counter protesters and anyone else, media, general public, pour British tourists who got off at the wrong Blue Line metro station at the wrong time. |
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BadNewsBlues
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Don't recall any occasions where BLM roamed the streets chanting Jews will not replace us or running over anyone with a car, so no it doesn't apply. The Unite The Right Movement is exclusively made up of awful people with equally awful views and beliefs.
And yet these people are presently not the ones getting mad at being called racist for stating or agreeing with racist views or homosexual and transsexual individuals being represented in various forms of media "where they can spread their gayness and sexual confusion and infect young minds".
I loved Quentin TarenTurkey's work on that film (I haven't actually watched the movie in all seriousness)
Call me crazy but when you're either caught on camera joining in with the white sumpremacists or like that one guy in New York who started some drama over some coffee shop employees speaking spanish what more proof do you need to have to prove you're what people think you are? We've come long and far from the days of the racists either going out of their way to protect their identity or having their clear and obvious racism excused with no substantial logic behind it. |
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The Eva Monkey
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Haven't read through all the posts, so I don't know if it's been pointed out, however Lafayette Square Park is not 2.1 miles from the Walter E. Washington Convention Center. It's probably about 0.8 miles by foot.
https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/foia/upload/18-1166-Jason-Kessler-application_Redacted.pdf https://i.imgur.com/1Sy6EwI.png The ANN article should be updated to reflect this inaccuracy. I don't want to alarm people further, but it's much closer than Otakon's statement says. |
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encrypted12345
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While I agree with this on a fundamental level, it feels like the argument "race doesn't exist" is only used when white people try to have a say. No one ever tries to criticize Black History Month by this logic for example. I also feel that only criticizing America for it is disingenuous. All countries have some issues with racism or more technically, ethnic discrimination; it's just that ethnic conflicts are more obvious when the nation is as multi-ethnic as America. Japanese and Chinese people are more likely to get along in America than in either of their home countries. |
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peno
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This. Groups like Unite the Right are full of free speech and First Amendment defence, but only when it serves them and their sick propaganda. The moment it starts to be used to defence of groups that oppose them or simply are against their ideals, they start to spout their poison. And I think that is also very important thing to point out. |
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ANN_Lynzee
ANN Executive Editor
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Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I'll look into this and update the article. |
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Aresef
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The con put up a longer statement: https://board.otakon.com/index.php?/topic/28972-otakon-newsotakons-official-statement-regarding-proposed-rally-near-the-convention/
They have assurances from District officials. Edit: Oh, you guys have it. But as noted, it isn't 2.1 miles away. It's much closer. |
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#883957
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I remember a event a few years ago of Japanese anime fan counter-rally against Japanese nationalist group against Korean with Japanese citizenship and there are places the UN should look at where white people are not perpetrators or main victims and their courses I've seen to sympathetic Nazis in anime and manga is Kinnikuman Brocken Jr. and dad was the Nazis and compare the Nazis physical and mental ideal to the leadership that white supremacist logic.
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Egan Loo
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Indeed, the Japanese immigration process is not easy, but the government has been working to make it less burdensome in the past five years. It even boasts of the quickest permanent residency system in the world (after as little as one year of residency on visa, thanks to a April 2017 change). https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-30/japan-wants-immigrants-the-feeling-isn-t-mutual https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/01/04/national/fast-track-permanent-residency-rule-japan-looks-shed-closed-image/#.Wy0tsBJKiAw |
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Emdykay
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The attempts to derail the conversation away from the issue at hand, a white supremacist rally that resulted in murder of a woman the last time, and steering it towards a discussion of a vilified left are pathetic, again nothing but obfuscation and derailment tactics. And look who is at it AGAIN. |
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