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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:33 am Reply with quote
So do I go to Otakon or the rally? Decisions, decisions.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:53 am Reply with quote
all-tsun-and-no-dere wrote:
I'm really disturbed at the number of people in the thread implying that antifa is somehow a greater threat than the actual white supremacists. Antifa hasn't murdered anyone; white supremacists have murdered many in the past few years, including at an identical rally just a year ago.


I'm saying both sides are advocating for violence. Go watch videos of the left assaulting and beating women in the streets, burning down buildings, and putting innocent by standards into comas from attacks and say both sides don't do bad stuff. If you want to stand up to white supremacy, fine, but pick better people to look up to than terrorists.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:16 am Reply with quote
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Actually, the Japanese government has been working to almost double the number of foreign workers in the past five years. Without immigration, Japan has experienced negative population growth since 2010.

As one who attempted and successfully got a very coveted visa to live in Japan, while they have been trying to bring more people into the country, it certainly is not an easy process. Depending on your perspective, for me seven months waiting was a long time to wait while not having a job and just staying over there on a traveler's visa (an ill advised trek which I will not attempt again). Immigration will make you jump through every possible loop and will not bend at all in regards to if you are running out of time to be able to stay there. I had to submit everything from birth certificates, my parents and grandparents birth certificates and marriage licenses, to a background check conducted by a US governmental entity. They don't kid around in Japan if you want to stay there long term.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:32 am Reply with quote
Chester McCool wrote:

I'm saying both sides are advocating for violence. Go watch videos of the left assaulting and beating women in the streets, burning down buildings, and putting innocent by standards into comas from attacks and say both sides don't do bad stuff. If you want to stand up to white supremacy, fine, but pick better people to look up to than terrorists.


Here's the difference: Antifa's goal is to stop Nazis. On a few occasions they've resorted to violence (though nine times out of ten they just chant and wave signs) which I don't condone, but you can't compare that to Nazis, whose entire goal IS violence. The Nazi alt-right has killed dozens of people. Antifa have killed no one. The Nazis' stated purpose to create "a white ethno-state" can only be achieved by slaughtering huge numbers of people, including me, my family, and anyone else who doesn't fit their narrow view of what constitutes a human being. So yeah, when there's only one side that wants millions of people to die, saying both sides are equally bad implies that our lives have no value, since you didn't see fit to factor them into your calculation.

(Not to mention the fact that many images of "Antifa violence" are actually altered images of completely unrelated protests in other countries.)

So unless you have an actual solution, spare us the smug, holier-than-though "both sides are the same!" rhetoric. It denies reality, helps no one, and accomplishes nothing except to stroke your own ego. I wish we could all join you in your ivory tower, but some of us have to worry about people who don't want us to exist.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:36 am Reply with quote
Man, Otakon can't catch a break, a couple years ago the Baltimore riots put a major crush on the attendance.

While the permit is for 400 people, a hell of a lot more than will show up for both the rally and the counter-rally. Luckily or unfortunately in DC they don't put up with those shenanigans like Baltimore did a few years ago. If things go south, the National guard will just start smacking everyone down, protesters, counter protesters and anyone else, media, general public, pour British tourists who got off at the wrong Blue Line metro station at the wrong time.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:10 am Reply with quote
Kokonoetanmick wrote:


Of course there are not-so-nice-people in events like Unite the Right (the same applies to Black Lives Matter moviment),


Don't recall any occasions where BLM roamed the streets chanting Jews will not replace us or running over anyone with a car, so no it doesn't apply. The Unite The Right Movement is exclusively made up of awful people with equally awful views and beliefs.



Kadmos1 wrote:
The thing about the First Amendment is that legally protects you in most cases from the government placing sanctions on you for things that are racist, sexist, homophobic, blasphemous, and various other terms relating to discrimination or bigotry. Private employers can fire you for expressing those opinions. On the other hand, there are times where the easily-offended (the Shounen Jump Weekly-type crowd)


And yet these people are presently not the ones getting mad at being called racist for stating or agreeing with racist views or homosexual and transsexual individuals being represented in various forms of media "where they can spread their gayness and sexual confusion and infect young minds".

Top Gun wrote:
I wonder if anyone's ever considered air-dropping copies of Inglorious Basters


I loved Quentin TarenTurkey's work on that film Smile

(I haven't actually watched the movie in all seriousness)

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Oh definitely. Someone who goes to one of these protests goes at their own risk. Once the fighting breaks out, no one is safe from the violence on both sides. To say nothing of the doxxing afterwards where someone could post your photo on social media and claim you were a white supremacist and nobody asks for proof of that claim before you're fired.


Call me crazy but when you're either caught on camera joining in with the white sumpremacists or like that one guy in New York who started some drama over some coffee shop employees speaking spanish what more proof do you need to have to prove you're what people think you are?

We've come long and far from the days of the racists either going out of their way to protect their identity or having their clear and obvious racism excused with no substantial logic behind it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:42 am Reply with quote
Haven't read through all the posts, so I don't know if it's been pointed out, however Lafayette Square Park is not 2.1 miles from the Walter E. Washington Convention Center. It's probably about 0.8 miles by foot.

https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/foia/upload/18-1166-Jason-Kessler-application_Redacted.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/1Sy6EwI.png

The ANN article should be updated to reflect this inaccuracy. I don't want to alarm people further, but it's much closer than Otakon's statement says.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:23 am Reply with quote
Jose Cruz wrote:


Racism is a problem for several reasons: First, racism is tehcnically wrong since races don't really exist in a clearly delimited sense (what is "white"?, depends on the country and social context, anthropologists have long reached the conclusion that human races do not exist). Second, the idea of caring about their "race" leads to the creation of artificial barriers and stereotypes between people and hence to the dehumanization of individuals. Races don't exist, only individuals exist and if two persons have similar skin tone that doesn't mean they have anything in common.

The concept of race and of thinking that a person should be friends with people of similar skin color is a pretty stupid idea if you think just a little about it: why a person should feel pride of having a skin of a certain color (besides the idea it might look pretty)? It's so stupid, it's like having pride in having a certain shape of their hairline or a certain feet shape and then thinking that people with similar hairline shape or feet shape should be similar people in general just because of those characteristics.


While I agree with this on a fundamental level, it feels like the argument "race doesn't exist" is only used when white people try to have a say. No one ever tries to criticize Black History Month by this logic for example. I also feel that only criticizing America for it is disingenuous. All countries have some issues with racism or more technically, ethnic discrimination; it's just that ethnic conflicts are more obvious when the nation is as multi-ethnic as America. Japanese and Chinese people are more likely to get along in America than in either of their home countries.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:39 am Reply with quote
BadNewsBlues wrote:

And yet these people are presently not the ones getting mad at being called racist for stating or agreeing with racist views or homosexual and transsexual individuals being represented in various forms of media "where they can spread their gayness and sexual confusion and infect young minds".

This. Groups like Unite the Right are full of free speech and First Amendment defence, but only when it serves them and their sick propaganda. The moment it starts to be used to defence of groups that oppose them or simply are against their ideals, they start to spout their poison. And I think that is also very important thing to point out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:42 am Reply with quote
The Eva Monkey wrote:
Haven't read through all the posts, so I don't know if it's been pointed out, however Lafayette Square Park is not 2.1 miles from the Walter E. Washington Convention Center. It's probably about 0.8 miles by foot.

https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/foia/upload/18-1166-Jason-Kessler-application_Redacted.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/1Sy6EwI.png

The ANN article should be updated to reflect this inaccuracy. I don't want to alarm people further, but it's much closer than Otakon's statement says.


Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I'll look into this and update the article.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:26 am Reply with quote
all-tsun-and-no-dere wrote:
I'm really disturbed at the number of people in the thread implying that antifa is somehow a greater threat than the actual white supremacists. Antifa hasn't murdered anyone; white supremacists have murdered many in the past few years, including at an identical rally just a year ago.
In the last century socialism has killed more than 30 million people while communism has killed more than 70 million people. That means that 100+ million people have been killed by communism/socialism which makes it the greatest threat to both freedom and life in the modern world. That is why I find it baffling when people say that we shouldn't worry about violent socialist groups. To give one recent example of socialism you need only look at Venezuela. I would say that socialism is even more dangerous than communism since most people know that communism and freedom are mutually exclusive but some people have the vague hope that you can make a socialist government that isn't authoritarian. Racial supremacism is evil but so is communism/socialism.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:48 am Reply with quote
The con put up a longer statement: https://board.otakon.com/index.php?/topic/28972-otakon-newsotakons-official-statement-regarding-proposed-rally-near-the-convention/

They have assurances from District officials.

Edit: Oh, you guys have it. But as noted, it isn't 2.1 miles away. It's much closer.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:14 am Reply with quote
I remember a event a few years ago of Japanese anime fan counter-rally against Japanese nationalist group against Korean with Japanese citizenship and there are places the UN should look at where white people are not perpetrators or main victims and their courses I've seen to sympathetic Nazis in anime and manga is Kinnikuman Brocken Jr. and dad was the Nazis and compare the Nazis physical and mental ideal to the leadership that white supremacist logic.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:18 pm Reply with quote
Wandering Samurai wrote:

As one who attempted and successfully got a very coveted visa to live in Japan, while they have been trying to bring more people into the country, it certainly is not an easy process. Depending on your perspective, for me seven months waiting was a long time to wait while not having a job and just staying over there on a traveler's visa (an ill advised trek which I will not attempt again). Immigration will make you jump through every possible loop and will not bend at all in regards to if you are running out of time to be able to stay there. I had to submit everything from birth certificates, my parents and grandparents birth certificates and marriage licenses, to a background check conducted by a US governmental entity. They don't kid around in Japan if you want to stay there long term.


Indeed, the Japanese immigration process is not easy, but the government has been working to make it less burdensome in the past five years. It even boasts of the quickest permanent residency system in the world (after as little as one year of residency on visa, thanks to a April 2017 change).

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-30/japan-wants-immigrants-the-feeling-isn-t-mutual

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/01/04/national/fast-track-permanent-residency-rule-japan-looks-shed-closed-image/#.Wy0tsBJKiAw
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:23 pm Reply with quote
Chester McCool wrote:
all-tsun-and-no-dere wrote:
I'm really disturbed at the number of people in the thread implying that antifa is somehow a greater threat than the actual white supremacists. Antifa hasn't murdered anyone; white supremacists have murdered many in the past few years, including at an identical rally just a year ago.


I'm saying both sides are advocating for violence. Go watch videos of the left assaulting and beating women in the streets, burning down buildings, and putting innocent by standards into comas from attacks and say both sides don't do bad stuff. If you want to stand up to white supremacy, fine, but pick better people to look up to than terrorists.


The attempts to derail the conversation away from the issue at hand, a white supremacist rally that resulted in murder of a woman the last time, and steering it towards a discussion of a vilified left are pathetic, again nothing but obfuscation and derailment tactics. And look who is at it AGAIN.
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