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Kyon27
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I generally agree with the majority of your post. The only nit I would pick is with the idea that gun ownership is a crime deterrent. To my knowledge, this is not even remotely true. |
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TheAnimeRevolutionizer
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For another angle, the anime fan community is with its highs and lows, on the internet and offline. Beyond high school, some anime fans aren't all that squeaky clean, and I'm not merely talking about otherkin and furries, or elitists and full on otaku/hikkikomori. Much like any person on the street, there are plenty of bad natured people regardless of what they like. Conventions and clubs gather plenty of great people, but it's a lie to say that there aren't any people who are complete sociopaths who attend. Within the case of Alonzo, he seems like the kind of guy who went into anime fandom for the conventions to hit on girls, and spent some time on the more iffy and disgusting parts of the internet, including spending time with bitter and nasty people with no other outlet. His behavior also isn't helping either, as he gives me the impression of someone who wasn't raised to be a well behaving and well virtued person either. Don't go chasing hobbies thinking you'll get a pedestal for it. Alonzo, along with many, many other people and ex anime fans are testament to that. |
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kotomikun
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Well, you can believe whatever you want, but there's a strong correlation between gun ownership rates and gun-related deaths, whether you're looking at different countries or just different U.S. states (see charts 5 and 6). Mental illness isn't dealt with very well here, but the same is true in most parts of the world--I'd say the US does a better job than most, especially compared to Japan, where violent crime is virtually nonexistent compared to here--and it's all too often used as a scapegoat when the real problem is radicalization by hate groups, or something similar. Mental illness usually makes people want to hurt themselves, not others. What's undeniable is that we have an obscene overabundance of guns and, coincidentally, by far the highest rate of gun violence in the "developed" world. If it's easy to do a thing, people will do that thing more often; guns are purpose-built to make killing other people, or yourself, extremely easy, and in most parts of the US it's also pretty trivial to get your hands on one. That's really all there is to it--but fixing this problem, when gun culture is so deeply ingrained that we're practically having an arms race with our own police force, is not going to be simple. |
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BadNewsBlues
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The problem with this though is that people with mental, emotional, or psychological issues are not stopped from getting or keeping their guns. Which becomes a bit of a problem when these same people are the ones killing others and or themselves with these weapons.
Even accidentally or shooting themselves which while rare is a thing at gun ranges?
Pepper Spray nor a sword would stop anyone from getting shot nor does having any and everyone walking around with guns in a public place.
In many mass shootings the guns used were bought and owned by the people that did the crime, same thing with some of these dubious "stand your ground" shootings.
Guns being purchased out of state through straw purchases are why Chicago has so many shootings not the city's own laws on guns. |
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Cait
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California has a Red Flag law, and if they're doing their due diligence they will use it to remove any guns from this guy's possession.
Also, the FBI just released a study on mass shooters in the US, which showed quite the opposite of what some the people in this thread are claiming about gun violence in this country. Most mass shooters obtain their guns legally (only 2% didn't). Also, they were shown to not have a long history of mental health issues, rather, they were shown to have a number of "stressors" which sometimes included mental illness, but were not ever the sole factor. |
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Bugster10
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tl;dr, nothing to worry about. Last edited by Bugster10 on Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:05 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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#TheGreatestP4P
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Somebody is going to make a meme out of this.
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belvadeer
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Seriously. We don't need another one of those edgy young adults who try too hard. |
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encrypted12345
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As a Californian, I personally think that regardless of how strict gun laws are, if someone really wants someone dead, they will find other ways. Heck, a knife is probably a better weapon in a crowd because it makes a lot less noise, and sneaking behind someone isn't exactly hard in such a situation. There's also the tried and true method of private transportation.
I am also baffled at how most shootings in America seem to take place in areas where gun laws are the most strict. If making gun laws even more strict were the right solution, then why don't we hear much from gun lax states? Sure, there's some shootings in those states, but they seem abnormally rare in comparison. While the argument that more strict gun control on the federal level would help things has some merit, that's not really a valid option because of American culture. You're more likely to get a revolution rather than less death from guns. The core issue is that many Americans instinctively don't trust the government to defend its citizens, at least all of the time. With lax gun laws, even if the police can't help you in certain situations, at least you have some method of self defense. If the police fail to do their job AND you don't have potent enough self defense, then you're probably dead. |
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Ashley Hakker
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Yeah, like, why don't you ever hear about a mass shooting in Nevada or something!? You can own a GRENADE LAUNCHER in Nevada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting
...Ohhhhhh riiiiiiight... Okay, sure, but what about Texas??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting
Oh yeah... The most famous Pre-Columbine mass shooting in the United States... Okay, sure but what ELSE can happen in Texas? That was an isolated incident and it was during the 60's no less! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting
Oh right... Even the Army needed the civilian police to come in to stop that guy no less... Look, I'm not getting into this actual gun control debate, I'm Canadian, I don't have a horse in this race. However any assertion that more mass shootings happen in states occur in states with strong gun control is not grounded in actual reality. Last edited by Ashley Hakker on Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:47 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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Key
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Fair warning, guys n' gals: just keep in mind that soapboxing is explicitly not allowed, and some posts in this thread have been pushing that limit.
Guns were never mentioned in the article, so this isn't a place to go off on diatribes about your stance on gun issues. |
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ViscontPenRoth
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What is it with this year? Combined with this and Otakon, anime cons need more fear apparently. Stay safe everyone.
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hikura
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It isn't just a gun control issue nor is it just a mental health issue.It's both of those and a society issue as a whole that is problem.
There is a great amount of inequality in america.The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. I hope that person can get help if he needs it. |
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Zin5ki
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It is just my luck that I learn of this upon landing in Los Angeles. I like to think the situation can be kept under control in this instance.
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Hoppy800
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Wealth inequality has nothing to do with most mass shootings as the shooters are already well to do or wealthier. |
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