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Anime Expo 2018 News Roundup: Day Zero, One, Two Headlines

So we're back to people not being able to join the discussion until they've finished the series, by which time it may be too late, since half the people discussing it have moved on. So a good portion of people who might otherwise have been an active part of a discussion end up being passive readers of a discussion that mostly already happened.

Gina Szanboti wrote:

So we're back to people not being able to join the discussion until they've finished the series, by which time it may be too late, since half the people discussing it have moved on. So a good portion of people who might otherwise have been an active part of a discussion end up being passive readers of a discussion that mostly already happened.

But then, sorry for repeating myself, if those TV series only value was in direct interactive discussion, why not focusing their attention on shows whose values resides in their story, cinematography, any element actually making the anime? This sounds almost like those series were not worth anyone's time.
(by the way, how can you discuss the kind of shows that Japan is delivering every year like a factory? Almost none of them is exploring themes leading to debates or anything else apart from "I like this character", "no, this one was better", "this minute was great", etc. Not every series is based on suspense à la "24" or mystery like long investigation shows)

I watched Taken (one of the few great US TV shows) when it was first broadcasted (subbed) in France and I was alone in front of my TV. My parents who were interested watched it on their own later when it was dubbed. And the three of us liked it, with no discussion AT ALL going on between us. This never negated any intrinsic quality of the series. (same thing with multiple other examples)


PS: re-reading myself, I realize that this kind of crosses the "spoiler culture" that developed among internet people a few years ago. Where everyone who is part of this way of thinking acts like everything he is watching/reading relies on suspense to an extreme point.

But what's the point of anything if you can't tell people on the internet what you thought about it?

Validate me!

Lemonchest wrote:

But what's the point of anything if you can't tell people on the internet what you thought about it?

This right here is the sum total of what all the fuss is about.

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Validate me!

Enjoying something on one's own without folks to say you're OK for enjoying it is apparently some kind of horrid social disease. Ironically it is one I want to never cure myself of.

I hear the same arguments when a new game gets announced and its not multiplayer.

"No multiplayer or co-op? Your game is dead in a month or two you crappy developer!!!"

In my case, by the way, you've got it completely wrong.

(And for what it's worth, this model is bringing back fansubs. Most Netflix shows that aren't currently available legally are available fansubbed.)

Really? Because for someone with no cart in the race (so to speak) due to all your advantages and ability to go with whatever flow, you sure have a lot of text to write on the subject.

If you think fansubs are somehow returning to their former glory because Netflix does bulk releases, you may need to look again. Fansubs groups are subbing less shows and shutting down left, right and center. Netflix is not changing that.

No, I'm not thinking that, and I never said I did. Again, you're projecting something into my words that I never said. All I said was that series that wouldn't normally get fansubbed due to being simulcast are getting fansubbed because people want to see them now, not whenever Netflix decides to release them.

And you're absolutely positive that those shows aren't getting subbed because some fansubbers simply like the shows and wanted to do them?

I have a circle of friends who are all into anime and they all enjoy binge watching. ...

So unless you've done an exhaustive study and have some concrete numbers to present, about all you can say is that people who like to talk about anime on a week by week basis don't like the Netflix formula. You or anyone else are in no position to say that the anime community on a whole is being negatively affected by bulk episode releases instead of simulcasts.

You just talked about how fansubbing is dead and groups are shutting down, do you think this is the kind of environment where you start subbing licensed shows that are going to be released with official subs in twelve weeks or so anyway, because you like them? Really?

I'm not entirely sure where you missed that I wasn't speaking in general terms and not for the anime community "on a whole", considering how I kept adding "for me" and "in general" and whatnot. Anyway, Gina Szanboti and I have already explained how this affects the community negatively so I'm not going to waste my breath reiterating the same points.

Look, I told you, I'm not here to change your mind or whatever. If you prefer to binge watch and not talk about it to anyone then do that. But don't try to invalidate other people's way of enjoying their hobby. If someone's way of enjoying something is going online and talking about it then that's how they do it and it's not any better or worse than what you (or I) do.

SHD wrote:

No, I'm not thinking that, and I never said I did. Again, you're projecting something into my words that I never said. All I said was that series that wouldn't normally get fansubbed due to being simulcast are getting fansubbed because people want to see them now, not whenever Netflix decides to release them.

And you're absolutely positive that those shows aren't getting subbed because some fansubbers simply like the shows and wanted to do them?