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danpmss
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Ah, the Made in Abyss infamous problem... I even made an edit cutting out those scenes in order to see it with my family, and it really went really smooth without any major content cut at all (it helped me in the editing the fact the OST is not nearly as intrusive than other adventure anime, and instead, only intense in the right moments, staying calm and quiet for most of the content).
Really hope the movie version for it did the same as I did in that regard. |
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Ajc228
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That’s not fair for you to act like they are projecting their personal thoughts in regards to the sexualized nature of punishment in Made in Abyss. Multiple people on the forum have expressed unease about the way the show frames children being punished. Whether you see it or not doesn’t change the fact that punishment is fetishized in a sexual manner. Also, I would try not internalize the criticism of a show as an attack on you. |
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Zalis116
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I feel it would've made more sense to include the Spring/Summer OVAs with the 2005 Negima series, since they're manga-based material and Xebec's version followed the manga to the extent that it could. But I guess it's a matter of different companies/studios being involved, in contrast to SHAFT being behind the OVAs and the 2006 "inspired by Negima" TV series.
I'm going to start hoping that Funi's older BD/DVD combos start going to clearance if I want comparable pricing, since their Blu-Rays all have a nifty feature called "Make the menus disappear after selecting and playing any Extra," which forces me to stop the disc entirely and restart from the pre-menu trailers (which are generally skippable, fortunately) every time I want to go to the next trailer, textless OP/ED, promo, interview, etc.. So after watching the main series on BD, I generally go to the DVDs in the sets to watch the extras. I wasn't about to go through 14 restarts to watch all of the Heaven's Lost Property OPs/EDs, that's for sure. |
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kotomikun
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I felt like the anime mostly did a good job of reframing those scenes in that way. Americans tend to have a knee-jerk reaction to that type of thing, due to some cultural cross-contamination with religious fundamentalists, so you have to take any English reactions to almost anything involving kids or sexuality--let alone both--with a grain of salt. That being said, the manga... hoo boy. I thought it couldn't be as bad as people claimed, and I was extremely wrong. Just ~20 pages in the infamous "strung up naked" thing shows up. Unlike in the anime, where it appears for all of two seconds and looks pretty cartoonish, (spoilered for ick) spoiler[not only does the manga frame it in a super fanservicey way, but the male characters tease her about her lack of pubic hair, saying she'll never get married.] Like, yeah, kids talk about this stuff more than some adults would like to believe, but not in such a weirdly pornographic fashion. Really felt like that went too far; I couldn't bring myself to read any further, so there could be even skeevier content later on. Hopefully the anime will continue sidelining that type of thing. |
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harminia
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There's much skeevier stuff later on spoiler[like creatures pulling off riko's clothes and the aforementioned licking toilet creature. My memory might be wrong but I feel like there was vaguely tentacle monster attacks at one point too.] I haven't seen the anime but the tied up punishment in the manga almost turned me off reading it. The extra pages are super dodgy and there is a lot of nudity in them. I'm alright with children character's portrayed as naked in a naturalistic way because kids love getting naked for no discernible reason, but in Made in Abyss' case it's really coming more from a fetish viewpoint than anything else. (I believe the mangaka draws lolicon porn so no surprises there) Of course, if you don't know all this and just watch the anime, I assume it's mostly harmless. I haven't seen the anime yet though so not 100% sure, but if they lessened that content a bit then that's a massive improvement. |
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Hiroki not Takuya
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^^The naked string-up image lasted maybe 5 sec in the anime and Reg's "thingy" is only mentioned twice to some embarrassment that I can remember so I don't see either counting as pedophilia at all. Riko isn't shown fully nude either except for that but I think it functions in the story to highlight how nasty the orphanage "mom" is, so is not gratuitous. And the "thingy" talk also functions as some light humor between how matter-of-fact and oblivious Riko is and how Reg feels being sort of "objectified". Real kids talk about much worse these days in the US. If you want to talk PEDO, see Uzamaid!
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thiscannotbechanged
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Hey, guess what I finally got through my thick head after watching dozens and hundreds of hours of anime? All the things I disliked about individual anime are actually anime itself, and what didn't contain the objectionable parts were exceptions.
Those parts that make you not want to show it to anyone else you care about are the DEFINING CHARCTERISTICS of anime itself, and are anime, and without it, all you have are Japanese cartoons. (If you're editing videos for family you've failed.) Despite the amount of denial I had to apply to my dissonance canonical anime requires, this was a nice, but half-finished done-for-college-art-class piece in my opinion. So far, nobody has paid me for it, but that doesn't mean it's worth nothing. Look and read: if you're applying denial and other justification to ameliorate your conscience, you're watching the wrong stuff, and this anime contains things that are objectionable to innocent minds that want to tend to stay that way. spoiler[ I'm glad I didn't get my copy from Canal Street in Chinatown or else the rules would forbade this post; nobody said anything about getting a Rolex for $20 with a free copy of a random foreign Blu-ray. ] |
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NeverConvex
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Oh, wow -- read some of those spoilers for the way the manga handles the skeevy stuff. That sounds many orders of magnitude worse than the anime's treatment of it. I remember in the anime thinking "Well, this is a tiny bit uncomfortable and I don't know why you would do this, but oh look it was over pretty fast and now we're back to the show being a standout in every meaningful way again, cool...", but the manga's choices sound like they'd have made me shut the book and walk away, heh.
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danpmss
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That's like, your opinion, and your problem. I have mine, and I like my anime without pedo content if possible, especially if it is one so great I might as well want my whole family and other people that aren't quite into it to appreciate it (thing that would be proven impossible given those parts are in there, which also would further turn them off of watching other anime because it has this kind of growing reputation for them). I rather have them appreciating art for what it is, without putting the author's kinks in the middle of it, and the anime staff thought the same and toned it down a bit (just a bit, some obvious fetichism is still in there, like that comment from Nanashi while Reg was holding Riko's clothes). Doesn't quite mean I've failed, I did the same as them but cut some couple of seconds more for the same reasons. Did they failed to you as well? For cutting the way more explicit fetichism in the manga? I'm pretty sure your answer is no. So don't go talking like that is objectively a thing to assume. Doesn't mean I want content to be censored, and that I don't have my own kinks and guilty pleasures. But for those, I would leave them for myself at that, much like I would leave quality porn and quality gorefest craziness for my and maybe my friends' enjoyment only. Not everything needs to be "mainstream friendly" enough. But for magnificent stories like Made in Abyss, that are only being hold down by this kind of content from being far more appreciated by a wider audience as it sure deserves to, I would say trimming the fat is more than appreciated, and the anime besides not trimming enough already demonstrates that (being at least way more digestible for your average anime fan). |
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Hiroki not Takuya
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Made In Abyss still seems highly derived from the Strugatskys' Roadside Picnic.
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casenumber00
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Is it me or is Gabi's writing getting worse? I use to TA in college and her writing instantly reminded me of papers similar to the more, shall we say, less than stellar students. Once I read "So there's this big hole in the ground and everyone wants to find out what's at the bottom of it", I lost all respect for the passage.
Also, about the pedophile thing, Exclamation Point from youtube made a video about MiA and other shows. He is somewhat unpolished but he does deliver messages clearly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z58thY3Lf1E |
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