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Florete
Joined: 21 Jan 2018
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 Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:31 pm
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People are more offended by the removal than the existence of it. It's incredible how hypocritical people can be.
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:19 pm
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| BadNewsBlues wrote: | | You do know that one of the oldest and common stereotypes among American Indians were that they murdering savages right?
Regardless of how many frames Mr. Game & Watch's attacks were it would still be seen as insensitive to certain groups. If you know this a problematic depiction of particular minority group or cultiure something why would you even ask such a loaded question? |
No one is going to make that connection between this and American Indians as murdering savages.
There is nothing problematic about it, if this had not been noticed, then the game would have come out, people would have played it, and nothing would have been made of it. But no, someone decided to bring it up, and now a load of people are now offended over it.
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Somer-_-
Joined: 14 May 2014
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Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:20 pm
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I don't really care honestly but it'd be nice if they changed him into a bandit like before.
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#854626
Joined: 04 Apr 2016
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:41 pm
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I see Christian's get spit on and painted as evil rapists in every piece of media now a days. I'm a Christian, why doesnt the media stop? Well, it's not like I give a crap. In fact, I enjoy those stories. I admit the shortcomings of many religious groups of today and of history. I hope I keep seeing stories about evil religions.
That being said, mr game in watch is a fictional character in a fictional world and his portrayal changes nothing about the truth of who native americans are today and who they have been.
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:49 pm
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| MarshalBanana wrote: | |
There is nothing problematic about it, if this had not been noticed, |
All signs point to Nintendo noticing this much like they noticed the issue with Squid Girl's taunt in Mario Kart 8.
| MarshalBanana wrote: | | and now a load of people are now offended over it. |
The only people seemingly offended by it are people ironically being outraged at it's removal as has been noted at the top of this page.
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:56 pm
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| BadNewsBlues wrote: |
| MarshalBanana wrote: | | and now a load of people are now offended over it. |
The only people seemingly offended by it are people ironically being outraged at it's removal as has been noted at the top of this page. |
OK I'll play, if the only people who are offended by this are the ones who do not want it removed, then maybe we should keep it, after all, it's not offending anybody is it?
And for the record, I think removing it is pointless, does = I am offended by this removal.
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BadNewsBlues
Joined: 21 Sep 2014
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:01 pm
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| MarshalBanana wrote: | | OK I'll play, if the only people who are offended by this are the ones who do not want it removed, then maybe we should keep it, after all, it's not offending anybody is it? |
If Nintendo thinks it's insensitive much like the article noted with G&W Gallery 4's minigame that would obviously be a no.
| MarshalBanana wrote: | |
And for the record, I think removing it is pointless, does = I am offended by this removal. |
By the same token leaving it in is pointless.
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JustStopPlz
Joined: 29 Aug 2018
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:06 pm
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This is so stupid. It's just a video game. I bet the vast majority of people who are complaining about this haven't even thought about the Dakota Access Pipeline protests in months. You know, where real people were hurt and kicked off their land in modern times.
But instead they put their effects into yelling over a video games. Priorities. Maybe these people would actually accomplish something if they banded together for one cause instead of deciding to get offended over every little thing that changes on a daily basis.
| Florete wrote: | | People are more offended by the removal than the existence of it. It's incredible how hypocritical people can be. |
Because that's self-imposed censorship under pressure from these crazies. Giving into them is never a good idea. It just gives me more power and makes them more bold in what they complain about. I'm very anti-censorship and don't think people should be limited in their creation of fictional art (and yes video games are art) because it might offend a vocal minority.
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ZiharkXVI
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:07 pm
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This is silly. Native Americans are not concerned about this. Individuals may be personally offended for whatever reason, but that is true with just about anything. I dislike people purporting to speak on behalf of whole groups because it's just not true. I'm fairly certain I know those who would main G&W without a second thought.
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Theodore Relic
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:32 pm
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| Kaori Makimura wrote: | | ...I guess playing cowboys and indians should be punishable by law then, right? |
Uh, what kid plays cowboys and indians in this day and age? Last time I remember kids seriously playing that was when I was a kid...and that was over 50 years ago!
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Chester McCool
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:35 pm
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| BadNewsBlues wrote: | | Given how native Americans were the victims of genocide, having land stolen from them, forced to convert to Christianity along with forced to stop speaking their indigenous languages in addition to the above issues of course they are.....yet people still pretend (not you specifically) that none of this was wrong in anyway. |
I can understand people getting upset at some kind of "savage warrior brute" stereotype, but I was listing pretty innocuous examples. It seems like any kind of native garb is deemed taboo in America.
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:38 pm
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| ZiharkXVI wrote: | | This is silly. Native Americans are not concerned about this. Individuals may be personally offended for whatever reason, but that is true with just about anything. I dislike people purporting to speak on behalf of whole groups because it's just not true. . |
You're essentially doing this same thing by arguing "Native Americans are not concerned by this".
| Chester McCool wrote: | |
I can understand people getting upset at some kind of "savage warrior brute" stereotype, but I was listing pretty innocuous examples. It seems like any kind of native garb is deemed taboo in America. |
I've personally never seen people complain about Julia or her mother to be honest but given they've stuck around for all these years just like T-Hawk I've guess people have more or less accepted or least learn to tolerate them.
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Romuska
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:41 pm
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| BadNewsBlues wrote: |
| ZiharkXVI wrote: | | This is silly. Native Americans are not concerned about this. Individuals may be personally offended for whatever reason, but that is true with just about anything. I dislike people purporting to speak on behalf of whole groups because it's just not true. . |
You're essentially doing this same thing by arguing Native Americans are not offended by this. |
I agree with BadNewsBlues. No one can speak for everyone, especially not in these situations. Nintendo made the right call.
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luisedgarf
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:56 pm
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| BadNewsBlues wrote: | |
I've personally never seen people complain about Julia or her mother to be honest but given they've stuck around for all these years just like T-Hawk I've guess people have more or less accepted or least learn to tolerate them. |
For the record, Many Mexicans got offended with T.Hawk, but for different reasons, because he looks like an stereotypical Native American, rather than a Native Mexican.
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Heishi
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:19 pm
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Well, I actually think Nintendo made the right call. Maybe it isn't offensive to some but it might be to others when it comes to this stuff.
Though it does remind me: when are we gonna address another old fighting video game that has a Native American in it? 
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