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INTEREST: Precure Anime Series Welcomes Its First Magical Boy

That's really neat!

Now...can we get few more male damsels?
Oh, and let's have a female equivalent to Seint Seiya, Shurato, and Ronin Warriors.

I doubt that adding a yuri subtext to a children's show for attracting the attention of yurifans (moreover, in its traditional form, when any romance is officially absent from the show due to the potential threat for shiping) can be called a "positive LGBT image." Not to mention that Sailor Moon did a lot more for feminism and qeer people than Sakura. When will people realize that fanservice is not a representation of anything?

In any case, I really do not understand why Western fans continue to transfer the Western vision to Japanese and continue to see some kind of social or political message in what is either perfectly normal for Japanese culture, or created purely for entertainment of a heterosexual audience.

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Touya and Yukito had a canon relationship. While Tomoyo is still single and there was some comic relief aspect to Tomoyo's crush, she did get a lot of serious moments, like when she helped Syaoran and Meiling come to terms with their own feelings and rejections through her own personal experiences. We also had Nakuru as a gender fluid character and while they were an antagonist, the show presented Nakuru's gender fluid identity in a way that was very casual and not as a joke or an offensive stereotype. Just because CCS has some problematic themes like most anime and most media do does not downgrade the importance of the LGBTQ+ rep in the original CCS. One can be critical of a beloved work while still praising the things it gets right. And Sailor Moon was hardly the paragon of progressive LGBTQ+ rep either with the 90s anime's portrayal of Fisheye and the general lack of positive gay men in the series. The original Sailor V manga also had Naoko making some questionable jokes, like Minako referring to Artemis as a "transgender" cat in a degrading way just because of his name. Naoko just got really lucky with Sailor Uranus and Neptune. Though even the original manga has issues in their portrayal.

I will even tell you more - in Japan, the editors are directly taught that the work will then be the most honest and sincere if the author embodies all his “fetishes” in it, including all these clichés. So, do not deceive yourself that these are some kind of social or political comments, and not those elements of the plot or characters, which author just loves.

#HayamiLover wrote:

In any case, I really do not understand why Western fans continue to transfer the Western vision to Japanese and continue to see some kind of social or political message in what is either perfectly normal for Japanese culture, or created purely for entertainment of a heterosexual audience. .

Oh geez not this "only white people care about LGBTQ+ rights" argument again.

Rather, "geez, white people again think that the whole world thinks like they and live in the same cultural paradigm". Maybe this is a great discovery for you, but Japanese culture differs not only from American, but also from Western in general.

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I will even tell you more - in Japan, the editors are directly taught that the work will then be the most honest and sincere if the author embodies all his “fetishes” in it, including all these clichés. So, do not deceive yourself that these are some kind of social or political comments, and not those elements of the plot or characters, which author just loves.

I fail to see how Nanase Ohkawa saying she wanted to make CCS comfortable for minorities meant that she was just writing in her fetishes but I think I'll take her direct words over yours.

#HayamiLover wrote:

Rather, "geez, white people again think that the whole world thinks like they and live in the same cultural paradigm". Maybe this is a great discovery for you, but Japanese culture differs not only from American, but also from Western in general.

So you really don't think there's an LGBTQ+ movement in Japan at all?

You don't see the difference between "adding a gay character" and "write gay character is positive enough so as not to offend the gay audience"? However, if you are one of those people who called Clear Card a bad sequel just because Tomoyo did not get a new lesbian love interest, then the subsequent conversation simply does not make sense.

#HayamiLover wrote:

You don't see the difference between "adding a gay character" and "write gay character is positive enough so as not to offend the gay audience"? However, if you are one of those people who called Clear Card a bad sequel just because Tomoyo did not get a new lesbian love interest, then the subsequent conversation simply does not make sense.

I never said Clear Card was a bad sequel. I said Huggto did a better job of portraying LGBTQ+ characters than Clear Card did and apparently my fairly mild statement was offensive to you or something.

Was it offensive to me that in the otaku-pandering show, where the characters don't even have canonical sexuality, dealt better with the image of qeer people than the show where there is a canonical gay couple and an important lesbian character in main cast?

When will people realize that fanservice is not a representation of anything?

#HayamiLover wrote:

Was it offensive to me that in the otaku-pandering show, where the characters don't even have canonical sexuality, dealt better with the image of qeer people than the show where there is a canonical gay couple and an important lesbian character in main cast?

Please back off and stop harassing me for expressing a mild opinion and derailing this thread.