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#HayamiLover
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@Wtv
You are confusing cause and effect. If gay men find it interesting that CCS has a positive image of gay men and are interested in this show because of these characters, this is definitely good, but at the same time, this does not mean that CLAMP added these characters to appeal to gay men. Secondly, I doubt that "fans interpret this as social messages" tantamount to "the author deliberately did this as a social message." Not to mention the fact that in not the first year, when the PC uses fan service to attract yurifans. Well, in that case, is the heap of yaoi \ yuri ship material in idol show also a LGBT representation? For example, western fandom of Love Live is so connected with the lesbian community that some of the fangirls are even considered offensive when hetero guys are addicted to this franchise.
This has a definite meaning, but I do not quite agree. First, YagaKimi has enough hype to appeal to the lesbian community too, not to mention that the yuri community has fairly good connections with the lesbian community in both the USA and Japan. This is not yaoi, which has a rather controversial reputation among Japanese gay men because of the rather unrealistic image of males. Last edited by #HayamiLover on Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:33 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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musouka
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Your obvious “and yuri!” exclamations are not as big a smoke screen as you think, #HayamiLover. Just admit you don’t actually partake in stuff with gay male characters and that it makes you uncomfy and spare us, already.
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#HayamiLover
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"you disagree with our view on gay characters, because you are homophobic!11" - oh, how banal. Now, I remember with irony how a couple of months ago, people tried to accuse me that I hating yuri yaoifan... Last edited by #HayamiLover on Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:40 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Wtv
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I'm not confusing anything, though. I said CLAMP did it because it's their fetish. What I said is that it doesn't matter because all TV series at least are a product. Most producers aren't putting LGBT content for "representation", but to sell a product. That's why we get a lot of shoehorned stuff where in the last episode the writer just say: "Yeah, they were gay, didn't you see?!". I just don't see why make a difference in "LGBT representation" and "yuri/BL aspects" when it's made respectful anyway. You said it yourself, Love Live has a lot of lesbians fans (I remember Eli being in a list of anime characters lesbians want to date or something), so why do we need to put an "it's just fanservice" label when discussing it? The only reason why I mentioned CLAMP is because I don't believe they're above Precure when it comes to how they deal with such themes. To be fair, it was a product of its time, so it kind of makes sense. Haven't watched Clear Card, though, so I don't know how they changed. |
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musouka
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I didn't say you were "homophobic", I said you obviously don't read stuff with gay guys in it and that your stance on BL is that it makes you "uncomfy". I stand by that remark. You obviously even forgot that a m/m couple existed in CSC and tried to change the subject when you were reminded. Your criticisms of BL are "Japanese gay guys don't like it", totally ignoring that a lot of gay Japanese men and women write BL in the first place. You are unfamiliar with BL as a genre. You have no interest in gay guys except as a cudgel with with to hit female anime fans. Own it already and stop pretending. |
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Cardcaptor Takato
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ANN_Lynzee
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Time to move on #HayamiLover and others. This is the only warning I'm giving out before things get deleted.
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Juno016
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Wow, things have gotten heated. As a huge and critical CLAMP fan, being fluent in Japanese, and having communicated with the LGBT community in Nagoya, I'll put in a brief set of notes:
1) Ohkawa-sensei and the group actively try to portray unusual and/or unpopular relationships or expressions of love in all their series. This is a genuine interest in trying to spread perspectives of acceptance. However, more than being just a fetish, it sometimes comes across often as a naive, uneducated view of how these relationships work in real life. 2) When I spoke with a few participants of the LGBT+ parade in Nagoya, we talked about representation in manga. It's often misrepresented, but they're less bothered by misrepresentation than they are a lack of realistic representation in popular media. I love this season of PreCure, though. I was hoping for this and this episode was hype as all heck. I really hope this becomes a small trend in the future, like other trends for PreCure selection. My only complaint is that it took so long... |
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#HayamiLover
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Well, as you wish. I started writing this comment before you wrote this post, so you can delete it. |
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ANN_Lynzee
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No problem, the focus on CLAMP was getting things rather off-topic and I think both views have gotten enough space to explain themselves on it for now.
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Cardcaptor Takato
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It's too bad Cure Infini wasn't added in until after the new movie was finished but I hope he'll be able to appear in future All Star films.
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Chester McCool
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Someone's never seen Saint Seiya Omega it seems. |
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#HayamiLover
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Nothing, I just have a rather peculiar attitude towards Precure, so it was easier for me to use the CLAMP example in the same context. In any case, you know my "love" to slash community, so you can write me at any time if you think I'm getting too hot in the discussion. |
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Heishi
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Can't keep up with everything, ya know. 
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TsukasaElkKite
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This really is quite a big deal, and I love it.
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