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My god. A biography of Karl Marx done in the anime style done by one of the most totalitarian governments currently in existence. What audience outside of a country where his ideas are already in force will this appeal to? This has the feeling of a propaganda effort here and a very unsettling one at that. It's hard not to imagine while you're watching this "charming" promo for this show the screeching voice of a Communist prosecutor screaming at the top of his lungs for the conviction of an innocent soul for no other reason was that he or she made a joke about Stalin or Lenin,or Chinese peasants who were turned into living skeletons because of the crackpot schemes of Chairman Mao.
It's hard not to picture people fleeing to whatever country that would take them in fear of their lives. There are people who will find this charming,but to me,I can't help but feel like this show is little more than a whitewash to the oceans of blood that Marx's ideas produced. I can't help but feel more than a little ill watching that promo and hoping that this show stays in China,where it belongs because I certainly don't want to see it,whether it has an English dub or not. I'm going to put this at the top of my must miss list.

all-tsun-and-no-dere wrote:

Fred Lougee wrote:

Chester McCool wrote:

Wasn't Marx notoriously anti-Semitic and racist?

That's iffy. He did not hold Africans in high regard, believing them to primitive to ever be elevated to the status of a proper proletariat, and wrote that they might need to be eradicated for the good of the species at some point, but that was likely more based on social classism than racism, if that makes sense.

Is this.. is this sarcasm?

Because believing people of a different race are inferior and advocating for their genocide is racism.

I really wish I could assume you're being sarcastic but Poe's Law is a hell of a thing.

Not being sarcastic. Not sure what, but definitely not sarcastic.

Marx never believed that Africans as individuals were incapable of living in an industrial society. He had plenty of evidence that they could because there were some at the time. So, not racist.

What he believed was that the society level of most of Sub-Saharan Africa was so far behind the rest of the world that it might not be possible to bring it up to an industrial level by the time it was time to institute the One Socialist State which would rule the entire world and bring about "Pure Communism". Not the fault of the people living there.

I believe that's actually worse than racism. He was advocating mass genocide against an entire continent full of people because they would simply be in the way of progress, with no more thought given than to the meadow you bulldoze for a new freeway.

Chrono1000 wrote:

Karl Marx made an ideology that caused the deaths of more than 70 million people

As opposed to the 20 million deaths every year because it's not profitable enough to cure preventable diseases or clean the water?

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TarsTarkas wrote:

As we in the United States are supposed to be believers in the First Amendment, none of us should have any problems with a Communist nation making an anime out of history. Even history we don't like.

China has been making communist propaganda for decades so the concern is that a video streaming service might buy the licensing rights to this show. I don't think that any of the major services would be that foolish but there is some possibility of that happening with one of the smaller services.

BadNewsBlues wrote:

I know very little about Marx and how he interpreted communisim but blamimg him for those deaths is pretty absurd considering he died long before guys like Stalin and Mao came into power and pushed policies that led to those deaths.

Karl Marx was not a dictator but he did make the foundation of communism which is against family, freedom, and religion. He believed that the mass murder of people to create a worldwide government with absolute authority would somehow lead to utopia. China can make all the communist propaganda that they want but I would be appalled if a western streaming company bought the licensing rights to this show which is literally communist propaganda.

penguintruth wrote:

As opposed to the 20 million deaths every year because it's not profitable enough to cure preventable diseases or clean the water?

Communism doesn't get rid of disease, hunger, or unclean drinking water but it can make things a lot worse. One of the last communist governments on this planet that fully controls economic production is North Korea.

penguintruth wrote:

As opposed to the 20 million deaths every year because it's not profitable enough to cure preventable diseases or clean the water?

Yes. Are you serious? Are you suggesting that this is a problem that was improved under communism? Spoiler alert: It wasn't. "Not profitable enough" just became "didn't advance the revolution enough." Meanwhile, the capitalistic industrial revolution's healthcare advances completely exploded the population capacity of the world.

In Australia there's been fascinating debate between what I would call the traditionalists/idealists and the modernists/pragmatists. It comes down to Australia's trade figures (in billions of dollars):

Since World War 2 Australia has been tied militarily to the United States. In economic terms we far are more closely aligned with China. Australia's economy has grown non-stop for the last 20+ years thanks largely to our huge trade volumes and our surpluses with China.

People in Australia wonder if there were to be a war over the Taiwan Strait who should we support. History, politics and culture say the US; self-interest clearly favours China. With China heading to surpass the US some time this century as the world's hegemon, the question is less about whose political system is superior, but, rather, how we will all deal with the new reality. Add to the mix the inevitable ascendancy of India and Indonesia then being in this part of the world will be a case of living in interesting times.

Well, there would only be two causes of war in the Taiwan Strait.

China (Communist State) invades Taiwan (Democratic State).

Or part of a greater war due to the South China Sea. China despite protests of the Philippines and the United States continues to build and fortify former coral reefs into military island fortress and airfields.

In either case, it would seem greatly far fetched that Australia would side with China. I am not Australian, so perhaps I could be wrong. If so, the reasons for such a reaction would have to be quite surprising.

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Chester McCool wrote:

I believe that's actually worse than racism. He was advocating mass genocide against an entire continent full of people because they would simply be in the way of progress, with no more thought given than to the meadow you bulldoze for a new freeway.

I can imagine that Marx might have said (but where?) that sub-Saharan Africa would lag behind the colonizing countries economically, but even if he did say that, where is the part about the result being genocide? I think Marx is being criticized for things he never said or his words are being twisted, but if there is a source, I will check it out.

It is ironic that this work is coming out of China now, when it champions the liberal, globalized economic and political world order, cracks down on Marxist university students and labor activists, and large business owners (capitalists) can join the CCP (though one of the stars on the PRC's flag already represented the national bourgeoisie).

Chrono1000 wrote:

Karl Marx was not a dictator but he did make the foundation of communism which is against family, freedom, and religion. He believed that the mass murder of people to create a worldwide government with absolute authority would somehow lead to utopia.

Even then there's two things to be aware of

1. Is the fact his interpretation of communism was significantly different than what others that came after him believed.

2. Communism is largely dead.

Chrono1000 wrote:

Communism doesn't get rid of disease, hunger, or unclean drinking water but it can make things a lot worse. One of the last communist governments on this planet that fully controls economic production is North Korea.

Controls economic production of what?

BadNewsBlues wrote:

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Controls economic production of what?

Bombs and missiles, mostly.

"Make Communism great again!" according to a Chinese commie propaganda.

But then again, according to the former British prime minister, Margaret Thatcher who she's also the culprit of the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe besides Ronald Reagan & George HW Bush in the 80s:
https://twitter.com/MrsMThatcher/status/1077276609558790144

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