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Zeino
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It makes perfect sense if you bother to engage it properly unlike the vapid misanthropic ugliness of Zeta and Victory or Unicorn's half-hearted message full of retcons. |
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fuuma_monou
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Haven't seen Wing since the terrible Tagalog dub aired over twenty years ago. Please elaborate. |
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Amiantos
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Dude is huffing farts for the most part. Even what little I can remember of Wing, everything was so 1 dimensional. Will agree with him on the Unicorn part as from the start it felt like a Zeon fanwank. |
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Oby
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Wow, some people are already negatively judging this movie before watching it. It's almost like they already decided to dislike the movie, oh wait.
Kim, you're still using that obsolete argument? The "Real Robot" designation is granted to Gundam because the franchise created that subgenre. Mobile Suit Gundam in 1979 divorced itself from major "Super Robot" tropes such as fighting evil humanoid aliens, shouting the special moves, turning the giant robots into superheroes and even gods in some cases, etc. MSG ditched all that and went with the more militaristic approach where it's people vs people, diving deeper into the psyche of those who are involved in the war, no humanoid evil aliens, no shouting special moves, no shounen powerups. The Mobile Suits are militaristic weapons of war and that's how they treat most of them (even though some might far overpower/outperform others). That's what "Real Robot" subgenre means. Also, Gundam franchise being known for being the most realistic giant-robot anime out there is thanks to entries like the first MSG, Gundam: 08th MS Team, Gundam 0080, Gundam 0083, Gundam: The Origin, Gundam Thunderbolt, Gundam X and the recent endeavor, Iron-Blooded Orphans. Most other "humanoid giant robot"-shows can't be more grounded than them. Even something like Code Geass had to rely on actual geass magic to move the plot forward. And Macross has that humanoid alien-thing and the "literal/magical power of song to make peace"-shtick.
Wing's politic does not make sense. Especially Relena Peacecraft's political approach. Her "Total Pacifism" ideology/policy where you throw away all your weapons, military and all other means of self-defense and just hope for the best (while your enemy is slaughtering your people) is the stupidest politic ever concocted in the entire Gundam franchise. Not even AGE, G-Savior & G-Reco are that dumb when it comes to politics. Gundam Wing's Total Pacifism is as idiotic as the "nuclear solution" in Superman IV: Quest for Peace. It's that bad. Other than Wing, I agree that some AU series already top plenty of Tomino's entries when it comes to storytelling & narrative. I'm a UC fan, but most of Tomino's entries, I like the least. I absolutely love MSG but that was when Tomino's imagination got reigned in by other writers and animation directors. I do like Tomino's Novel approach for MSG with the mostly-white Gundam and all. |
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MarshalBanana
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Blackiris_
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I was on the verge of going into the cinema to watch this, but the connection to the UC timeline I don’t really know much about made me hesitate. This review confirms me that I should probably better wait until I’ve at least seen the original Gundam and other important UC titles. I already made the "mistake" to watch Unicorn as my first Gundam title which got very confusing towards the end without any prior knowledge …
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BadNewsBlues
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Don't at least half of those series feature newtypes who throw that alleged realism out of the window? |
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Gohanangered
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Actually the newtype stuff was suppose to represent a new stage of evolution to human beings. Especially ones that had been living in space for many generations. The stuff you see visually was to best represent as much as possible what was going on in their minds and how they were able to do what they were able to. Close to advanced psychic abilities.
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Advent_Nebula
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In am seeing this film tomorrow night. I am looking forward to see if it has any hints as to the upcoming movie trilogy for Hathaway's Flash.
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Cptn_Taylor
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Mobile suits are powered by Minovsky Energy. That's about as realistic as the Photon Energy that powers Mazinger Z. That fact is "real robots" as a mecha genre has never existed. They're all "super" to a small or large extent. |
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fuuma_monou
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Mobile suits are powered by compact nuclear fusion reactors, which are possible because of Minovsky particles. Minovsky particles are basically the UC Gundam equivalent of dilithium crystals. There is no such thing as Minovsky energy in Gundam terminology. |
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Cptn_Taylor
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Minovsky particles are Gundam's MacGuffin. They have any properties the writers want them to have because of story constraints. They're no different from Photon Energy. |
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LightningCount
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Really want to see this in a theater, but there are no showings close to me. Hopefully there is good turnout and Gundam in theaters becomes a more common thing. If DBZ can do it, Gundam can too, I say. They were Toonami cousins, after all. Amazing how times have changed.
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penguintruth
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I saw it and it was pretty much what I thought it would be, very flashy and kind of silly. I love the Newtype concept in Gundam, even when it goes over the top, but this may have gone a little past the limit with it's "people can live forever in the Psycho-frames" postulation. It really wants to drown you in new plot points every few seconds as if it's desperate to prove its worth, and often that obscures some of the genuinely great ideas and emotional complexities. It probably would have been best served as an OVA, but I enjoyed the great NT effects, mecha designs, action, and turmoil, even if it leaned too heavily on it. A charming spectacle, but not much else. Unicorn as a whole was better.
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Scion Drake
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I just saw it & the theater actually had a decent turn out.
Couldn't understand the story much but boy was it pretty. 
In all seriousness though it was a fine film, nothing to offensively bad & with some nice cameos from characters from past series which generated a couple good squee moments. On actual critiques I can think of.... The constant time-jumps & flashbacks rendered it a bit incomprehensible, it got a bit too pseudo-philosophical (though that’s not really new for Gundam), the ending is spoiler[ around the same as Unicorn as in basically New-Type God hax saves the day], & Rita is a rather bare bones Lalah expy. I’m actually looking forward to Hathaway’s Flash a lot more now if only for its completely cynical ending. Oh right and NT spoiler[ ended on an after credits teaser to Hathaway’s Flash just like an MCU movie.] 
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