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When an individual is released from jail, there's a chance they'll repeat their behavior. But obviously most people wouldn't advocate permanent incarceration for all inmates. To what extent should Vic - or anyone else like him in anime or even society at large - be given the chance to move on within their industry?

Nobody Nothing wrote:

When an individual is released from jail, there's a chance they'll repeat their behavior. But obviously most people wouldn't advocate permanent incarceration for all inmates. To what extent should Vic - or anyone else like him in anime or even society at large - be given the chance to move on within their industry?

If you're looking for a definitive answer to that question, I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. Forgiveness is something that can be earned, but is not owed or guaranteed. And with how many people Vic has hurt, and for how long these stories have been kept quiet or dismissed, I think it's frankly misguided to prioritize concern for his future.

xchampion wrote:

I believe most of the acusations against Vic and once again all the stories are misdemeanor level if at all criminal. No one is going to jail for any of this crap. <snip> There are many people on Twitter comparing the guy to the Kevin Spacey, Harvey Weinstein, and the Bill Cosby's of the world. These people actually drugged, tried and raped people. These Vic Mignogna acusations are not even close. This is why I support the guy. He's made an apology for the uncomfortable interactions with fans. He maybe a Diva in the recording booth, but many actors have certain amount of ego. Some are just bigger than others. The current con cancellations are fair, but he shouldnt lose his career and be black balled because of it. [Edit]: removed sarcasm directed at victims. Errinundra.

Definitely this, Vic has apologised, promised to change his behaviour and has now faced numerous accusations. We'll never know everything about what went on behind the scenes. He's been disinvited by many cons and already lost two roles. There's no doubt after all this publicity he'll be closely monitored. I hope Vic apologises to his fellow VAs and if handled well he should be able to continue his career even if it takes a while for things to die down.

He's apologized, and promises to change.

Do we really want this man to completely lose his career forever and hit rock bottom? I just find this weird. Everyone is attacking just him, including other VAs accused of potentially worse actions.

At the end of the day, people should just stay decent.

Looking at complaints on Cosfu dating back to 2005; convention attendees were complaining specifically about how "hands-on" this voice actor was, especially to underage attendees. Why would those 14 and 15 year olds complain or file a report? They were fans, getting attention from their idol! Arguably uncouth and problematic attention, but attention none the less. Plus, this was happening at anime conventions, where this sort of behavior was at times not just accepted but seen as part of the culture. So even when it did make these teenagers uncomfortable, and even they felt strongly enough to make waves by reporting it over the head of security staff and convention organizers... what were you going to do then? Good luck finding an officer that would take more than a passing interest in it. After all, it was just a "misunderstanding." What was seen was a mistake, not malicious intent. And this is justhow conventions are.

So, instead (apparently), this behavior became further codified and, by proxy, accepted.

That's another worry that I have - not just that it took 15 years for the attempts to call out Vic to have any real traction outside of the rare canceled appearance or forcing the man to feel the need to give a half hearted apology, but that this sort of stuff is intertwined in the convention experience, and there's a long history of it. People are calling out Mr. Mignogna as being homophobic due to some comments during interviews and some actions that show in the best light he had issues with it being implied the characters he played were gay as it might be seen he was to; I guess we've all forgiven and forgotten the time that Sakura Con of Seattle thought the best way to be more "family friendly" was to enact rules specifically targeting its gay participants.

There's also a lot of complaints that this incident is "just piggybacking" off of the #metoo movement, but I feel the real issue is that we're not seeing a revolution on the fandom's own terms and merits. From calls that if you're not white you're only allowed to cosplay characters with your proper skin type, to if men wish to dress as a female character they are in actuality "a t***" to the belief that "con sex" is just the right pickup line away, coupled with the cults of personalities that absolutely pervade the convention scene? I'd argue the pig's back needs to be taken here and forged into it's own movement, so to speak. These things have been happening for decades. Men, women, vendors, convention staff, convention operators... there's plenty of stories there. I think it's time to stop hyper focusing on the one guy who finally got called out on his actions, and start looking at the broader picture: the environment that allows this kind of stuff to thrive.

This is the last time I'll post so I'll try and post this in a thoughtful way without losing my temper .

The response overall to this is HORRIFYING. Some of you seriously need to rethink things; just imagine if this was your wife, mother or god forbid your daughter. Between here and Twitter...this is exactly why women don't speak up.

And what would anyone gain from trying to blackmail him as VM's defenders are claiming? First of all...he's not Robert DeNiro; put him in a large group and most people wouldn't know who this was. And for those asking why nothing was reported, most of the accusers were underage; they couldn't do it anyway and it all depends on the statues of limitations right?

This culture was allowed to persist, and it created problems like Vic, and others. Yet, like you, me, and others have mentioned, the target is only Vic. No talk of the eccentric culture that is cons and the anime community in general (with fans gleefully watching cartoons about underage girls in sexual situations all the time). This should've been nipped in the bud long ago, but it wasn't.

Hopefully this leads to a broader conversation, and less Vics being allowed to be privks without a smack upside the head.

Yikes: https://twitter.com/michellmcc73/status/1094729435583037440?s=21

Aresef wrote:

Yikes: https://twitter.com/michellmcc73/status/1094729435583037440?s=21

Like the moderators themselves have said, beware of any suspicious Twitter accounts. This account had less than 100 followers when they posted this. It should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

Pretty much my view of the situation. Unless it comes out that he's committed crimes, at this point it can come across as piling on. He's lost credibility, two roles (aka, fired), is being ostracized and has been disinvited to multiple cons. He's apologized, and promises to change. Punishment and potential atonement. Isn't the point for people to change for the better?

Do we really want this man to completely lose his career forever and hit rock bottom? I just find this weird. Everyone is attacking just him, including other VAs accused of potentially worse actions.

At the end of the day, people should just stay decent.

On of the issues of this particular case is one of the ability to consent versus the desire to. Looking at complaints on Cosfu dating back to 2005; convention attendees were complaining specifically about how "hands-on" this voice actor was, especially to underage attendees. Why would those 14 and 15 year olds complain or file a report? They were fans, getting attention from their idol! Arguably uncouth and problematic attention, but attention none the less. Plus, this was happening at anime conventions, where this sort of behavior was at times not just accepted but seen as part of the culture. So even when it did make these teenagers uncomfortable, and even they felt strongly enough to make waves by reporting it over the head of security staff and convention organizers... what were you going to do then? Good luck finding an officer that would take more than a passing interest in it. After all, it was just a "misunderstanding." What was seen was a mistake, not malicious intent. And this is justhow conventions are.

Uh, this is not the type of thing they're talking about in terms of "suspicious Twitter accounts." Her Twitter account has been around for two years, she first told this story in October 2017 over a year before #KickVic, and you can clearly see that she and her story have had the support of several other victims and other people close to this story in the replies, as well as corroborating stories from other victims, also in the replies.