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Ushigome
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Everybody talks big about how it doesnt affect reality, but i bet nobody would leave their young female relatives (sisters, daughters) around/under the care of someone who is addicted to loli hentai, I wouldnt . There was an outrage some time ago in my country, Peru, when a couple split up because the mother found the father's huge lolicon gallery/memes...turns out he did hoard pornography of actual children.I mean, if you ask any "normie" on the subject of what do they think of lolicon, they'd rightfully freaked out, who on their right mind gets off to any form of depiction of young bodies??
On the subject of "fiction doesnt reality"...I mean, its 2019, there is a bunch of academic papers/studies on how porn (of any kind) basically reprograms the brain (check out the Deprogrammer on youtube, just to name some). A potential pedophile/abuser clinging to the depiction of fictional children doesnt hold him back from eventually perving on the real ones. Think of it like an addiction, and how the brain eventually needs a dosage stronger than the previous one to become satisfied, this is why people addicted to extreme/paraphilic porn began with "basic" porn, everytime it became harder for them to get off, so they moved onto stronger stuff every time....now what happens to those addicted or who collect the kind of anime? Read what freakin' Noam chomsky has to say on the subject if you dont believe me. Also, the entire "there are more pressing matters to care about" argument can be applied to every other damn issue on the planet, its a quick way to deter any sort of discussion. Ask yourself this again, would you let a person addicted or someone who "casually" leers at that kind of pornography teach/mentor/watch over your kids???? (not a native Speaker, pardon any grammar slip-up) |
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Hoppy800
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In conclusion, you are one of those out of touch "moral guardians". Also, the guy in that case was obviously already messed up beforehand, you can't blame anything and anyone but that guy. |
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Yuvelir
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Uninformed decissions based on emotion alone are a fast way to make terrible choices. |
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SilverTalon01
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Actually, there have been obscenity restrictions on the first amendment for a while. So unlike the crazy pipe dream of dropping the electoral college which would take a new amendment, the government could totally get that done if they wanted. People who like that stuff should definitely not take it for granted that they're allowed to posses it. The horrible joke here isn't so much what they're trying to do as who is trying to do it. |
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Hellsoldier
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UN, why are you doing this to yourself?
Now seriously, you tried to pass a worldwide decriminalization of homosexuality. That's great. There was a UN report that talked about the benifits of New Zealand's prostitution law in protecting sex workers and stopping HIV/AIDS. That's spetacular. You had goals to eradicate poverty. That's superb... Why are you now trying to suggest people should be arrested for enjoying (perhaps dubious) fiction? |
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El Hermano
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Of course, there does seem to be this weird clause where if it's a same-sex thing then it's totally okay in the eyes of said "normies". One of the biggest criticisms to the backlash over the She-Ra reboot was how the people who wanted the characters to be attractive were all just pedophiles who were trying to sexualize a show for kids. Then the show actually airs, and these same critics are suddenly talking about how Adora and Catra are totally gay and draw tons of porn of those two underage characters. I guess as long as it's framed in a progressive light, "pedophelia" is okay. The nice thing is the UN is completely inept and Japan always refutes their attempts to try and police Japanese media. |
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tianchris
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Well ask any "normie on the subject of what do they think about homosexual, they'd "rightfully" freaked out, ask any "normie" on whatever things that not considered "normal" they'd "rightfully" freaked out. Does that mean that whatever the general public don't accept should be ban? Well then the UN really should let gay and whatever be killed in muslim mayority countries. I mean most muslim mayorities countries will totally freaked out on subject of gay but not really on subject of pedophilia. I usually just use a simple rule to life "If they don't harm anyone let people do whatever they want". Well it's not like i don't understand what you're saying, i mean i don't think there's real harm to implement this rule, but the problems is when this rule is approved they usually will go further. Recent example is sony censorship.
BTW if school do have some way to check internet history of their especially male teacher i doubt male teacher even exist. |
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XSp
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Here's what infuriates me the most with this crap: instead of focusing attention on real crime and real problems, we end up getting over reactions of armchair warriors from low to high profile because they think censorship leads to justice or something.
Depictions of fictional minors is not the only thing, this is completely also related to violence in games, violence and sex in movies, subversive literature, porn comics, among several others. As usual, there is a scientifically unproven and assumed implication that always comes up in all of these useless proposals. In this case, that fictional minor pornography somehow magically turns people into real pedophiles that will promptly turn into abusing minors somehow. Just like violent games will automatically turn people into violent terrorists or something. And while these armchair legislators keeps living in their alternate lala land reality, the people on the ground looking at cases of real violence and real child abuse keeps repeating over and over and over again to no avail that domestic terrorism is often related to psychological issues and social problems, and that child abuse in the absolute vast majority of times is commited by family members or people close to the family, and it more often than not has absolutely zero to do with fictional depictions. But the moral crusade squad has to find something easier to attack that does not require them to address the real problems, so they keep victimizing industries, people, and ideas that they don't particularly like just so that they can get their moral victory medal and approval of likeminded folks. This shit is a lost battle. These days, as soon as politicians are confronted with hard issues, they'll quickly find a scapegoat that convinces the ignorant majority instead of looking for real uncomfortable answers they don't want to confront. And so, not only crimes keeps happening, they keep wasting precious time, money and leaving potential victims to hang dry because they are so preocupied with their false morals and self importance. |
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Xiximaro
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You are just linking unrelated studies to each other, just to conveniently fabricate a compelling argument, that's not a argument it's a sophism. You talk like addiction is an incurable and easily to catch disease, which is wrong... By that ignorant logic, if all addicts to drugs, smoke, etc... will be addicts forever. I'm just glad you are wrong, cause if you are right the world would be hell and full of rapists on account that as lot of "normies" have some pretty unbelievable fetishes even more with porn, even though they are straight up nice people. To sum it up, you leave your children with people who you have the upmost trust and never pry what they do in private alone time. Humans are rational so they are pretty much on control with their desire, their might be some who aren't and can't control themselves but they aren't limited to child porn they are limited to nothing and that's the problem. The fact that you created an account just to post a manipulative comment just shows that you are not that upstanding yourself, as you might want to appear to be. |
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Ryo Hazuki
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This might feel like I'm splitting hairs but where do we draw the line? Lady Bird, which I just watch this morning had underage sex but I guess it's supposed to be ok. since the actors are over 20 the actress wasn't topless but on the other hand there are several teen dramas and comedies, which have sexualized nudity in them even if the actors themselves are over 18.
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Steve Minecraft
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That's always been the main rebuttal law makers, activists, and artists in Japan have used when foreign governments try to meddle in their affairs. The most common tactic is they'll just throw basic, empirical crime statistics at these foreigners. They especially dislike the UK because UK lawmakers have been pushing hard for Japan to ban "child porn comics" like they have, and the rebuttal is always something along the lines of how despite the ban the UK has like a 50 times higher rate of sexual abuse than Japan. They don't really take crap for anyone.
That's not splitting hairs at all, that's a legit concern when it comes to talks about sweeping censorship and laws. Especially in cases like this where it's a 'I'll know it when I see it' kinda deal. The line is drawn where the person in charge wants it to be drawn. |
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louis6578
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The line is "Are real children being exploited?" It doesn't matter if the children are illustrations (hentai) or actors who are of age portraying teenagers or kids. Those instances are fine. Hell, even if a child actor's character is raped, so long as sex isn't ACTUALLY had, it's fine. You can write as messed up a show as you want, so long as real kids aren't being harmed or traumatized. |
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Jose Cruz
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The paradoxal thing is that forbidding fictional depictions of pedophilia is as absurd as forbidding fictional depictions of violence and gore. Of course, there is ton of violence depicted in fiction bit nobody bats an eye, but the existence of any fictional reference to sexuality related to people under the age of 18 it appears to be a capital sin. The treatment of sexuality as taboo is the main inheritances of the Abrahamic religions on global politics. In cases like this it feels like the UN is a branch of the Roman Catholic Church instead of a. global institution without an ethnocentric/religious worldview. |
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James_xeno
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Very much all of this and the post it's quoting. People don't understand that through the wholly (arguably) unconstitutional and dangerous obscenity "exception", literally all speech is potentially not protected by the 1st. Based off of an old ruling which still hasn't been overturned, courts are able to nullify speech protections if it is deemed "obscene", via the insanely ill conceived (or perfectly conceived) concept of "I'll know it when I see it"... That "it" being obscenity. So if they see it as such, it's isn't protected, that simple. It's not a joke or hyperbole! Because of that, porn/hentai is technically in a legal limbo. (all speech when it really comes right down to it) It's really really scary to think about.. With the pedo scare going on. But especially when you look at the current state of things.. These kinds of attitude are how censorship/forced self-censorship gets started.. Not just ignoring it.. Also the many who hand-wave away or claim not to see any threat and thus do not care, but yet always seem so quick to defensiveness over any who do. One need only look at gaming to see where this kind of thing goes, and where judgmental moralizing and politicizing everything leads to as well.
Very well said. |
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