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REVIEW: Dance in the Vampire Bund DVD/Blu-Ray

.... he can form his opinion without the all-too-common bias thrown in...

RIN featured a character that would be physically considered underage that gets drunk, has sex, and gets raped but due to technically being an "immortal" in the show its A-OK for these same VAs to have their normal stage names listed. Where is the fear of reprisal if RIN became popular and some prude caused a fuss about the content? Rin and DTVB are aimed at the same demographic, mature audiences.

ArsenicSteel wrote:

You are grossly overestimating the type of actions an employer that is not Disney can take if they learn an employee provided the voice of character in a project like this. But hey fear is a powerful tool even when the threat is empty.

Actions can be subtle (i.e, being passed over for a raise or promotion, stricter enforcement of company policies, etc.). Also, there is the factor of looking for future employment to consider. It is much easier to never hire someone than to fire them or otherwise modify their current employment. When companies check social sites as part of the process of selecting someone, this being a factor is no stretch at all.

ArsenicSteel wrote:

You are grossly overestimating the type of actions an employer that is not Disney can take if they learn an employee provided the voice of character in a project like this. But hey fear is a powerful tool even when the threat is empty.

Actions can be subtle (i.e, being passed over for a raise or promotion, stricter enforcement of company policies, etc.). Also, there is the factor of looking for future employment to consider. It is much easier to never hire someone than to fire them or otherwise modify their current employment. When companies check social sites as part of the process of selecting someone, this being a factor is no stretch at all.

Now, if by some off chance that Rin does become popular and a prude flashed those scenes of Mimi having lesbian sex to the public, the VAs could easily say that "it might have been included in the show to appeal to as many fetishes as possible and sell well; cultural differences ha ha just a small part of the show" and the blame would once again be lightly pushed onto the nation known for weird things.

However, those will simply be the spices to the meal. The general public frowns upon sexual depictions of "minors" whether or not they are minors in the story, and pretty little Mina is enough to cause many disgusted faces spluttering "Eugh!" and an ugly moment.

P.S. You also didn't answer the questions that were at the beginning of my previous post. It would help to know why this is such an annoyance for you.

don't respect it in this situation. I think their decision to hide who did what only serves to reinforce the negative stereotypes anime has had to face in the US for years and undermines the bit of integrity this show has.

It's the Fox Newses of the world and other sensationalists that cherry-pick out of context scenes to fan flames by calling attention to innocuous things like fictional characters performing harmful acts.

TheAncientOne wrote:

ArsenicSteel wrote: You are grossly overestimating the type of actions an employer that is not Disney can take if they learn an employee provided the voice of character in a project like this. But hey fear is a powerful tool even when the threat is empty. Actions can be subtle (i.e, being passed over for a raise or promotion, stricter enforcement of company policies, etc.). Also, there is the factor of looking for future employment to consider. It is much easier to never hire someone than to fire them or otherwise modify their current employment. When companies check social sites as part of the process of selecting someone, this being a factor is no stretch at all.

Who would never hire these people? Are you talking about voice acting work or other jobs? If it's the former future work with Funimation is all but guaranteed for the few VAs using aliases in DTVB. For the latter to be believable it would have to be the case that merely performing in a show with controversial bits is enough to warrant those repercussions. If a person uses their real name on a social site then that is a reflection of them, acting in a TV show is not. Do you think Richard Dean Anderson could make a bomb with a toothpick and a bubblgum wrapper in real life? I certainly hope not. Then why would these actors get jeers for acting in a show that in no way reflects on their real life habits.

Negative stereotypes relating anime to being generally perverted and something to hide in your closest under the dirty clothes like anime is cartoon porn and anime is pedo training material.

ArsenicSteel wrote:

It's the Fox Newses of the world and other sensationalists that cherry-pick out of context scenes to fan flames by calling attention to innocuous things like fictional characters performing harmful acts.

You seem to recognize the problem, but don't see it as the problem. I don't think most people want to be the target of sensationalists. It doesn't really matter how justified that sensationalism is, it's still a pain in the rear for the VA and, say, a school hiring that VA. The school is not going to want to have to deal with the PTA (or whatever the equivalent is these days), so the VA isn't hired.

Also, the fact that something is a fictional depiction doesn't necessarily make it harmless. If someone tried to create, say, Birth of a Nation today, everyone involved, down to the actors, would be judged incredibly harshly, and with good reason. Shrugging and saying "hey, it's fiction, I'm not even black, I was just in blackface" would not diffuse the situation, to say the least.

And you seriously expect me to believe anime is never really perverted or never implies that in any way? You really don't think making female characters who're often technically underage, blushing, wincing, in various situations where their boobs or someone else's boobs are being referred or panty shots are shown or they strip just cause?

And okay, whatever. Dance in the Vampire Bund isn't cartoon porn nor isn't it pedo training material. But so what? The moments in the show where she or Akira ends up naked for whatever reason among other sexual moments don't exactly help encourage viewers to think otherwise.

Is there a problem with thoughts now? I've had similar thoughts about Claudia and Louis before but I am not freaking out about it calling Anne Rice a lolicon.

Except not everyone is you genius.

It honestly sounds a little ridiculous that you care more about a late-night animated TV show risking being negatively stereotyped than a bunch of people risking getting fired or not being employed because of a show they worked on with sexual scenes and the way the scenes were being sexual.

Get over it with the alias thing already.

I can't see myself finishing the dub if I am going to be constantly jarred out of the narrative because what is being said does not really match what is being shown.

The risk is bullshit fear and those actors are walking contradictions as their regular stage names have been attached to other like products already.....

....The way Funimation re-wrote the warehouse scene to completely any implication Akira's attracted Mina's teasing in order to have the actors repeat how creepy the situation is was a disgusting insert by Funi moral police....