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AntiKuro



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:18 pm Reply with quote
Hiroki not Takuya wrote:
Before I say anything, I just want to say thank you, thank you, thank you for your attitude. You know, I stayed away from reading this thread this week because I was expecting a wall of vitriol because that has been the norm here at ANN for a long time. Maybe some of the "bad actors" have been removed (?). You're clearly not one and neither am I so I really appreciate it!

To your last point first, you are absolutely right and I usually expect some of that to come through in anime too. What "gets in my face" are writers that not only don't try to keep prejudices like sexism out of thier writing, but seem to blatantly put it in frequently and even try to portray more extreme examples than the usual. I'm not pronouncing judgement of that as "bad" but I don't like it and I'll certainly point it out. Now, I still think FF isn't overall terrible and this week's Ep seems like the story may be veering away from some of that so here's hoping...

You are right again that sexism is a prejudice and can lead to discrimination if acted upon, but you can only have the latter in a story if the characters act out such. It seemed to me that the Lt Cmndr was doing that regards to Maki in the Army, but he could have been referring to her mentality so maybe that shouldn't have been an example. In media, the "tell-tale" of prejudices I find is usually where and how the stereotypes that are associated with that prejudice are used and how frequently. Maki being enamored of "cuteness" isn't by itself sexist although a stereotype but coupled with her emotionalism when being complimented by males specifically and that she has cowered alongside the other women (not really behind) despite her supposed fighting prowess adds up to sexist treatment of the character IMO.

Also, nothing wrong with dressing "sexy" and in itself it's not sexist (and as a guy I appreciate it in anime), but coupled with the characters acting out other sexist stereotypes makes the case. The DND player being manipulative by using sexual attraction on other players (characters?) shouldn't have been labeled that way IMO because it a huge logical leap to imply that doing something means endorsement or universal application is the case. In fact, I see that being used as an intellectual weapon to attempt to stop the person from a behavior that is disliked which I see used way too often in media and elsewhere and is dishonest.

The reason I go into this sort of analysis is to find the truth about things through reason so that everything isn't "a matter of opinion" as there are no doubt many differing opinions on things. I find arguments are harder to sustain when one gets to specifics which I'll happily discuss with anyone without antagonism and again, I really appreciate talking with you about this.


It's cool. I was actually a little afraid of the reply I might get back because I hate confrontation. I'm not afraid to admit I could be wrong on my view points though as I'm still learning even now as a full grown adult, and I am the least feminist woman out there so maybe something is sexist and I'm just not looking at it from the right view point.
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Hiroki not Takuya



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:06 am Reply with quote
^Well, if you find that I "sound" confrontational or angry, please let me know as I can assure that is not what I am and I'll correct it. Also, I hope you and others see that I try not to take the position that "I'm right and you're wrong regardless" as some do and I look forward to reasoned discourse.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:11 pm Reply with quote
I just want the human combustion to turn out to be the reverse rapture so bad
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Hiroki not Takuya



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:34 pm Reply with quote
JB wrote:
...that has to be building to something, right?
If this were a show like some where every detail has relevance you might be right and it would be interesting to see how. FF doesn't seem like that though, guess we'll see...
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Kisuke525



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:50 pm Reply with quote
Hiroki not Takuya wrote:
JB wrote:
...that has to be building to something, right?
If this were a show like some where every detail has relevance you might be right and it would be interesting to see how. FF doesn't seem like that though, guess we'll see...


Actually a lot of the details do have relevance, but unless the series gets more seasons they aren't gonna mean much.
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leongsh



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:24 pm Reply with quote
Kisuke525 wrote:
Hiroki not Takuya wrote:
JB wrote:
...that has to be building to something, right?
If this were a show like some where every detail has relevance you might be right and it would be interesting to see how. FF doesn't seem like that though, guess we'll see...


Actually a lot of the details do have relevance, but unless the series gets more seasons they aren't gonna mean much.

The first 2 cours will end at a certain point that will be the partial lifting of the veil. If it continues at the same pace for the next 2 cours, they will probably end with a cliffhanger. In-between, there will be more clarity and relevance of the many bits scattered around in this first part.
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Kisuke525



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:03 am Reply with quote
leongsh wrote:
Kisuke525 wrote:
Hiroki not Takuya wrote:
JB wrote:
...that has to be building to something, right?
If this were a show like some where every detail has relevance you might be right and it would be interesting to see how. FF doesn't seem like that though, guess we'll see...


Actually a lot of the details do have relevance, but unless the series gets more seasons they aren't gonna mean much.

The first 2 cours will end at a certain point that will be the partial lifting of the veil. If it continues at the same pace for the next 2 cours, they will probably end with a cliffhanger. In-between, there will be more clarity and relevance of the many bits scattered around in this first part.


Yeah you're right about that. I couldn't remember if 24 more episodes was confirmed to be true or not that's why I said what I did.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:22 am Reply with quote
I loved the science/science fiction exposition from the recent episode. Usually authors don't care to at least ATTEMPT rationalization of fantastic abilities. This can lead to callous combat mechanics and by extension narrative problems that make it difficult for suspension of disbelief. On a personal note some authors can also ignore how interesting and scary science can be so that's notable to me, even if it breaks up fluid combat and if again the exposition leans heavily on science fiction. Lich having a mental breakdown and looking like a typical mad scientist attempting to make sense of it all is hilarious so hopefully that made the exposition a bit more bearable for viewers who don't find particle physics interesting lol.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:47 am Reply with quote
micah007 wrote:
I loved the science/science fiction exposition from the recent episode. Usually authors don't care to at least ATTEMPT rationalization of fantastic abilities. This can lead to callous combat mechanics and by extension narrative problems that make it difficult for suspension of disbelief. On a personal note some authors can also ignore how interesting and scary science can be so that's notable to me, even if it breaks up fluid combat and if again the exposition leans heavily on science fiction. Lich having a mental breakdown and looking like a typical mad scientist attempting to make sense of it all is hilarious so hopefully that made the exposition a bit more bearable for viewers who don't find particle physics interesting lol.


I do have to give Fire Force credit. Anytime some strange new power leaves me wondering how it would relate to manipulating heat, it comes up with an explanation that works. Shinra and Sho manipulating time, but coming at it from essentially opposite methods was pretty cool.
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Hiroki not Takuya



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:23 am Reply with quote
micah007 wrote:
I loved the science/science fiction exposition from the recent episode. ...hopefully that made the exposition a bit more bearable for viewers who don't find particle physics interesting lol.
As a physicist the only thing I can give the author is they know more terms than average and they have heard some very "out-there" speculation, otherwise the explanation is nonsense. Not that I'll fault them too much, it still boils down to magic because the "science" is so far off-base. Not sure if I prefer leaving it as just magic or trying to tie in science-words..

Ep23- Is that a sword sticking out of your chest or are you just happy to see Sho? I think I liked the show better when they weren't so serious because it seems to be making less sense as time goes on...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:19 pm Reply with quote
For all those who are uncertain, Funimation confirmed Season 2 is coming in 2020.

https://www.funimation.com/blog/2019/12/27/fire-force-season-2-2020-anime-funimation/
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JonDoe



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:24 pm Reply with quote
Well, this show ends on a bit of a mixed note for me. On one hand we have an emotionally charged final episode that includes a gorgeously animated fight between Shinra and Captain Burns and a revelation that really got to me. But... then it ends with a post credits scene that reminds me how much I REALLY don't like this shows sense of humor and how half the cast actually annoys the hell out of me. It feels like Okuba's comedy and character writing hasn't improved at all since his Soul Eater days (which is another series whose comedy I find aggressively unfunny). So yeah, mixed emotions towards this show. I don't regret finishing it but I still can't help but feel like it could have been so much better if only it hadn't been so choked full of crap that almost forced me drop it.
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theNightster



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:09 am Reply with quote
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She's just been in the background

That’s like every character not named Shinra or Aurther though....
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Gina Szanboti



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:35 pm Reply with quote
What was Bench-kun doing in episode 24? Shocked

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jdnation



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:12 pm Reply with quote
This show was awesome! Great humor, though I agree that the whole 'whoops I'm falling out of my clothes with my boobs in your face' thing is just boring cliche that is thankfully minimal. Sexy funny stuff can still be done right if you don't get so lazy.

Action was awesome. Great visual direction, outstanding use of cuts and backgrounds taking a page from SHAFT's style. Good characters, great sense of intrigue. One of the best shows of the year with a refreshing spin on the shounen genre.
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