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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:22 am Reply with quote
Jessica Hart wrote:
How a person presents themselves says a lot more than a transcript ever could. Vic was acting friendly, charismatic, and positive.

So did Ted Bundy. Even people who knew exactly what he'd done found him so charming that they had to actively resist being won over by him, and he had passionate fans right up until he was executed. There's a reason why the movie about him was called "A Perfect Stranger."

(And yes, I know we're talking about a whole 'nother level of evil there, but the conceptual comparison still stands.)
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:50 am Reply with quote
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Ambimunch wrote:
I thought it was quite good, he appeared genuine unlike the other parties who couldn't even make eye contact or a consistent story.


How a person presents themselves says a lot more than a transcript ever could. Vic was acting friendly, charismatic, and positive. Ron was acting nervous and skittish. Monica was stoic and curt. Just look at the line when Lemoine asks Vic if he thinks kissing kids is weird. It comes off much differently in real life than in a transcript when you can add Vic's positive demeanor and how he said. If a guy hits on me and is acting super creepy about it, I can tell it's a no-way situation. Another guy could say the exact same thing, but in a normal or charming way. Social cues matter, fellas Laughing




You do realize that psychopaths are known for feeling no remorse or guilt about the crimes they may commit? Many have already provided examples about famous serial killers who were known for their charisma. Vic having a "positive demeanor" while being questioned about his creepy tendency of kissing actual children might even make him look even worse than if he showed some understanding of how what he did was wrong. As usual, Vic's minions are as bad at defending him as he is.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:52 am Reply with quote
I really hate how all of this has made the anime community look on both sides of this internet war.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:09 am Reply with quote
Anthony P wrote:
The point here is that Vic supporters use those connections as excuses to dismiss the articles as fictional hit pieces, even though said connections do not, in any way, shape, or form, prove the allegations wrong. (Let alone consider how Vic himself provided statements to the article, which brought his infidelity to light) As for the bolded...I don't even know what you're trying to say with the former considering FUNi didn't lift a finger until January, but Chris already owned up to ANN's failure in reporting on Vic and instead granting him interviews/podcast appearances. (As I cited above -- given you deleted that, there's no way you missed it)


I was just explaining what people were saying, not that I agree with them. Personally I don't think the connections between these people matter much because all involved parties would have done what they did regardless if they were friends or not. I've read through years of previews, reviews, editorials, and their respective threads which usually get super toxic and argumentative to know the staff's views on social and political issues to know where they would side on this issue already.

Likewise I didn't need anyone to tell me the io9 article was a 'hit piece' because just seeing the emails between Vic and Beth and how Beth completely omitted the vast majority of Vic's responses and answers made it quite clear the article was not about presenting both side of the issue. I mean, when your headline picture is a photoshop of Vic with numerous gropey hands growing out of his body making him look like a supervillain then it's probably not trying to be neutral in the first place Confused

ranran-001 wrote:
First off, recent twitter activity has been a flurry right now because its been alleged that Nick Riekita who set up the Go Fund Me account, was doing something shady at his former place of work, a bank. My guess, if any, is that the defendants in Vic's lawsuit have already reached out and contacted his former place of employment.

It's not a coincidence that Nick's involvement was brought up in the deposition, and Nick really should be concerned.

Second, the crowdfunding campaign if it actually is being used to sue Vic's enemies, would be proof that Vic filed a frivolous lawsuit because someone gave him money to do so. Had Vic said it would concern him if the GFM was a scam it would have at least offered some sincere testimony that his reputation was important to him.

But that's not what ended up happening in the deposition. He said he wasn't concerned, therefore claims of his reputation being damaged by rumors seem to be inconsistent with his lack of concern that his face and name would be used in a scam.


I don't really get why people would think a lawyer would risk his 25+ year career and firm for a measly $250,000 dollars which is maybe a month's paycheck. Likewise, Nick doesn't see any of the GFM money at all since it goes directly to Beard's IOLTA account, so I don't see how people think Nick is scamming people when he's not seeing a single dime from that campaign. For some reason despite always seeing rules about how no "conspiracy theories" are allowed in these threads posts like this seems to be A-OK and avoid getting pruned.

Nick keeps being brought up because people hate him. Like, obsessively so. That's all it really boils down to. He's rude. He insults people. He has no filter. And he's been a huge threat towards the cancellation of Vic since he got involved, something they have no problems admitting, and now we're at the stage where he's more important than Vic is to these people when they would rather spend large chunks of their legal filings trying and failing to go after him.

CrowLia wrote:
You do realize that psychopaths are known for feeling no remorse or guilt about the crimes they may commit? Many have already provided examples about famous serial killers who were known for their charisma. Vic having a "positive demeanor" while being questioned about his creepy tendency of kissing actual children might even make him look even worse than if he showed some understanding of how what he did was wrong. As usual, Vic's minions are as bad at defending him as he is.


There's a few of these posts so I'm just going to address this one as a general statement. But if we're at the point where we're saying Vic being positive is actually a worse look for him than if he was acting guilty and comparing him to serial killers then the discussion seems already in the toilet. All I was saying is seeing a person say something is more valuable than reading a transcript. It's clear many people here already have made their mind up and seeing it themselves wont change their view going into it, but to a neutral party it's more informative. Read any post-trial interview with jurors and you'll find many of them say they thought the guy was guilty or innocent based on how he presented himself, or if a witness' testimony was good or bad because of how they acted on the stand. Body language and social cues are important to neutral people, not to people who already decided if he's guilty or innocent and are going to confirmation bias it.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:09 am Reply with quote
So a while back, Vic made a cringetastic fan film about FMA without getting the rights from Aniplex and basically stole an Alphonse statue from Funimation to do it, even pestering his higher ups to put it on the Shambala special edition disc. A committee at Aniplex vetoed the idea.

https://twitter.com/lheiskell/status/1157359689287340033?s=19
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:21 am Reply with quote
Jessica Hart wrote:

I don't really get why people would think a lawyer would risk his 25+ year career and firm for a measly $250,000 dollars which is maybe a month's paycheck. Likewise, Nick doesn't see any of the GFM money at all since it goes directly to Beard's IOLTA account, so I don't see how people think Nick is scamming people when he's not seeing a single dime from that campaign. For some reason despite always seeing rules about how no "conspiracy theories" are allowed in these threads posts like this seems to be A-OK and avoid getting pruned.

Nick keeps being brought up because people hate him. Like, obsessively so. That's all it really boils down to. He's rude. He insults people. He has no filter. And he's been a huge threat towards the cancellation of Vic since he got involved, something they have no problems admitting, and now we're at the stage where he's more important than Vic is to these people when they would rather spend large chunks of their legal filings trying and failing to go after him.


Here are a couple of things to get out.

1.) Ty isn't making two million dollars a year.
2.) It takes very serious laws to be broken for an attorney to be disbarred. So there is a whole range of dishonest and unethical things he can do as an attorney and not have to suffer much more than a fine.
3.) Ty's firm has been fined/sanctioned in the past for sending out fraudulent subpoenas.
4.) Ty has on his website for a brief period of time falsely said he specialized in defamation litigation. He isn't a specialist, this is as bad as a knee surgeon saying they specialize in eye surgery.
5.) Ty has already lied to Judge Chupp in regards to his need for more time to go over the TCPA. The other attorneys on the case have sent Judge Chupp evidence of Ty's lies, and while Judge Chupp has already given the motion to delay out the TCPA hearings, it was not done as a favor to Ty. So Ty will likely face sanctions for that after the case is over.
6.) Vic had no idea who Ty was until Nick recommended Ty.

None of that is good, and yes given Ty already has done shady things in the past, filing a frivolous, merit-less, and dumb lawsuit is just an easy paycheck for him. He doesn't have to do anything for Vic other than appear to be trying to do a halfway decent job. So in all, Vic is being used, Vic's fans are being used, and Nick and Ty are laughing their way to the bank.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:50 am Reply with quote
Jessica Hart wrote:
Likewise I didn't need anyone to tell me the io9 article was a 'hit piece' because just seeing the emails between Vic and Beth and how Beth completely omitted the vast majority of Vic's responses and answers made it quite clear the article was not about presenting both side of the issue. I mean, when your headline picture is a photoshop of Vic with numerous gropey hands growing out of his body making him look like a supervillain then it's probably not trying to be neutral in the first place Confused


May I ask exactly what kind of both-sides journalism you were expecting there? Because I doubt further long-winded excuses from Vic, let alone his colleagues or fans, would've sufficed when there's already plenty of evidence to the contrary.

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I don't really get why people would think a lawyer would risk his 25+ year career and firm for a measly $250,000 dollars which is maybe a month's paycheck. Likewise, Nick doesn't see any of the GFM money at all since it goes directly to Beard's IOLTA account, so I don't see how people think Nick is scamming people when he's not seeing a single dime from that campaign. For some reason despite always seeing rules about how no "conspiracy theories" are allowed in these threads posts like this seems to be A-OK and avoid getting pruned.

Nick keeps being brought up because people hate him. Like, obsessively so. That's all it really boils down to. He's rude. He insults people. He has no filter. And he's been a huge threat towards the cancellation of Vic since he got involved, something they have no problems admitting, and now we're at the stage where he's more important than Vic is to these people when they would rather spend large chunks of their legal filings trying and failing to go after him.


We've already been discouraged from discussing Rekieta's career/practices, so all I'll say is if you can't recognize the ethical concerns people have with someone whose law firm expired last year and regularly peddles misogyny/threats/rape apologism/*conspiracy theories for an audience primed to harass women, then I don't know what to say to you.

*Again, "Monica Rial wants Vic Mignogna dead!"? And what, exactly, are you complaining about, again? Your double standards are showing.

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]Body language and social cues are important to neutral people, not to people who already decided if he's guilty or innocent and are going to confirmation bias it.


You can keep pretending Vic's charisma is relevant all you like -- we've pointed out countless times how he not only failed to prove defamation/tortious interference but his admissions to several allegations. That you refuse to address these proves the only "bias" here is your own.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:51 pm Reply with quote
The Dallas Morning News wrote about all this: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2019/08/03/anime-gets-metoo-moment-clash-dallas-area-voice-actors

They talked to Marchi's lawyer and to Rial, but couldn't get Vic or Ty Beard.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:51 pm Reply with quote
Aresef wrote:
The Dallas Morning News wrote about all this: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2019/08/03/anime-gets-metoo-moment-clash-dallas-area-voice-actors

They talked to Marchi's lawyer and to Rial, but couldn't get Vic or Ty Beard.


Ty Beard likely declined to comment to avoid looking more incompetent than he already has in the depositions.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:35 pm Reply with quote
I do have to wonder if Vic's supporters even know any actual English. Mari Ijima "declined to comment" but they're already saying she denied the Tekkoshocon incident, just like they've spun Monica's witness testifying "he didn't recall the incident" to be "he said Monica lied". Their selective blindness would be impressive if it weren't being weaponized to intimidate victims from reporting abuse and sexual assault from the men around them

Aresef wrote:
The Dallas Morning News wrote about all this: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2019/08/03/anime-gets-metoo-moment-clash-dallas-area-voice-actors

They talked to Marchi's lawyer and to Rial, but couldn't get Vic or Ty Beard.


And to absolutely nobody's surprise, Rekieta already unleashed his maggots to harrass the woman who wrote the article. Always showcasing they're as rotten as the man they defend
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:50 pm Reply with quote
CrowLia wrote:
And to absolutely nobody's surprise, Rekieta already unleashed his maggots to harrass the woman who wrote the article. Always showcasing they're as rotten as the man they defend


If by harass you mean call the author out for falsely attributing quotes and statements to the wrong parties and spreading misinformation, then sure.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:48 am Reply with quote
Amibite wrote:
CrowLia wrote:
And to absolutely nobody's surprise, Rekieta already unleashed his maggots to harrass the woman who wrote the article. Always showcasing they're as rotten as the man they defend


If by harass you mean call the author out for falsely attributing quotes and statements to the wrong parties and spreading misinformation, then sure.


This didn't happen.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:35 am Reply with quote
The article writer did correct a misattribution. She commented publicly when she corrected it. I hope it was fixed in time for the print edition (including multiple misspellings of Mignogna's name).

https://twitter.com/SharonFGrigsby/status/1157770614020743169
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:32 am Reply with quote
It's official: Vic is the VA equivalent of WWE's Virgil.

https://twitter.com/Squally_kins/status/1158963578273173504?s=19
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