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BadNewsBlues
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Popular with a massive hatedom. |
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Top Gun
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The Mineta line killed me. I am dead.
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NeverConvex
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The situation with Fire Force reminds me a bit of Darling in the FranXX -- startlingly good openings, consistently beautiful, dynamic visuals, but execution unfortunately marred deeply by bizarre, misplaced choices that undermined most of what the show seemed to be going for thematically / in emotional resonance. (Although, FranXX integrated its fan-service more carefully; its missteps were of a different sort.)
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fathomlessblue
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They stated that the plot is both rambling and rushed, never settling on any of the interesting concepts or world building that it brushes past, while the characters are either background, one-note comedic, cartoonishly crazy, or in the case of the females, mostly exist to be sexually or verbally humiliated. Those aren't nitpicks. If the plot is incoherent mush and the characterisation is infantile and mean-spirited, what else is left? I mean the production is largely stellar and some of the designs are nice, but if that was all I wanted from an anime I'd just watch Redline for the tenth+ time and have myself a far better time than enduring whatever Fire Force vomits out. I held out until the most recent episode, hoping it would eventually settle on something, anything remotely interesting, only to be met with by weekly disappointment. Plus, even if the 'it gets better I swear!' promises materialize in later arcs, it likely still woudn't remove many the core issues I have with the show; chief among them being that I haven't seen a shounen series with as much casual disrespect for its cast since Bakuman (granted, I haven't seen some of the more infamous properties like Fairy Tail & Highschool DxD). I'm all for a shounen series to remind me of my youth, but being a hyperactive, unconsciously misogynist twelve year old edgelord is a part of my life I'd rather put behind me. Last edited by fathomlessblue on Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:45 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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theNightster
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pretty sure spoiler[Tamaki has an interest in someone else later in the series and only gained respect for Shinra not romantic feelings] |
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Nodz
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Seven Deadly Sins didn't get that much complaints about fanservice when Meliodas is constantly harassing Elizabeth. He's litterally touching her breasts and hips on purpose.
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poisondusk
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Netflix licenses tend to get less attention because they dump the whole thing up months after the original airing, so people don't have the chance to get invested by watching it weekly when it first comes out. Seven Deadly Sins also didn't spend time wowing the audiences with cool fight scenes and intriguing lore first - it got right into the groping in the first episode, allowing those of us who didn't like it to drop it right away. |
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Kuroi Ren
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It's one of the top series so far so I don't think it's "underwhelming" except for some. Also, "none of them" was a bit of a stretch but most aren't. For example, Reborn was one of my best anime of all time but the first 20 episodes were just mostly Slife of life/comedy. But then, for the next 180 episodes, it was SOLID! |
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fathomlessblue
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It did in some quarters, it was just that the conversation was far more muted with that show as it was one of Netflix's first anime acquisitions, and thus didn't see a weekly simulcast release. It all but killed discussion about the show, either from news sites or social media platforms, as you would have to pirate the show, which outside of a few core communities, most wouldn't do (or at least openly admit to, given that basically everything was licensed by CR at the time). By the time it finally appeared most anime fans were too busy focused on the then-current season's content. I suspect it was one of those shows that quietly built up a following, but like, say Fairy Tail, the fandom was pretty isolated from the rest of the anisphere, and were far tolerant of it's various tropes.. I only watched one-episode & Meliodas was both obnoxious and slimy enough to get me to stop watching, so you've got one anecdotal example at least. Plus it ultimately doesn't help a discussion to use comparisons to other titles as a get-out-of-jail card to excuse Fire Force's issues. It may not exist in a vacuum but in most regards the show speaks for itself. Last edited by fathomlessblue on Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:23 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Kuroi Ren
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Well said |
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fathomlessblue
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It should be noted that episode six literally pulls an Index by having the lead use the power of self-righteousness to punch a nun into submission. As unintentionally ridiculous as I found that scene in the moment, I think it sets a pretty reasonable line over whether this is the type of show you can respect or draw meaning from.
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asneakysnake
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I think tamaki’s fanservice is supposed to be so dumb and so over the top it can only be seen as commentary on shonen fanservice as a whole. Whether that makes it more palatable or not is up to the individual viewer. Shinra’s embarrassed shark-grin when this occurs is pretty funny imo since he's not at all into it.
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steelmirror
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This show is definitely Not For Me, and the article hits my complaints pretty much exactly on the head. Ridiculously fast pacing, lack of build-up for what are supposed to be big payoffs, paper-thin characters floating around in an underdeveloped (but could be so interesting!) world, and of course the eye-rolling fanservice.
My only disagreement with Nick here is that Arthur is, in fact terrible. 
I feel like this show would be so much better if it were just the adventures of Company 8 before Shinra and Arthur joined. I'm looking forward to watching all the gorgeous action animation highlights on youtube. |
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Banjo Main
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This. People just watch the show and say "fanservice bad". You can obviously tell when they are having overblown fanservice scenes (I.E. Tamaki) for the sake of satire, and when they are going for straight fanservice (I.E. Girls talking in a shower for sake of talking in a shower). |
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cheshire1501
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If you are laughing at people who are having a bad time over things that they shouldn’t be going through or are clearly not enjoying it because is making them embarrassed over being sexually exploited, it is not satire, it is bullying
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