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Pedram



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:42 pm Reply with quote
Key wrote:
Pedram wrote:
Alicization first half was okay, but it needed at least another cours (~12 EP) for some stuff to even make good sense... it's clear they had to force a lot of stuff into 24 EP and cut a lot.

Beyond eliminating the visit to the town in the first novel of the arc, they didn't cut that much. Most of the rest of what they did cut was mostly dialog that would have bogged down an animated version and/or introspection that would have been difficult to do in animated form. If they had actually animated all that was skipped, it might have amounted to 2-3 additional episodes max, and half of that would have been for the town visit in the first novel.


imo too many explanation and detail were removed that the whole plot or characters seems lacking at times.

Maybe I would not even notice it and think of it as a great anime season if I didn't read the novels, but as someone who read the novels before watching the anime all the times, I could see so much important things missing.

It's true that many of the scenes were dialogues or inner monologue, but if they are important scenes then they should be included !
if they can't be included in a 1:1 adaptation, then the adaptation should change some stuff to make the story flow correctly. it should be a bit more creative.

the explanation of the whole Rath and the underworld technology or their goal was pretty washed up. but still passable.

the main problem was the inner monologues or scenes that were important.

Like Eugeo's family background and how his family were acting toward him, his guilt of leaving his family and choosing a sacred task that don't give back any money to his family, his goal of leaving to become a knight other than saving alice, and his guilt of going against taboo and becoming a criminal thus never being able to be a Integrity Knight and never being able to go back and help his family.

all of these were completely excluded in the anime !

Eugeo did ask Cardinal to go look for the books in the library in anime ! but then what ? we never got ANYTHING about what he did there ?!? what he read there ? these were all important !
Him searching through all the history to find other people that might be like him, to find any other criminal like himself. to find a purpose or goal for himself and why he had to go through these and what is he gonna do now that he damaged other human lives and broke his eye seal limit ?

or his fear that his family and everyone else would hate him now that he is a criminal ?

all of these lead to his extreme anger at the tower climb episodes and all lead into EP19's scene where he see a dream about killing his family and then quinella saying he should forget everything and she will love him.

I saw so many anime only people were genuinely confused in r/anime in reddit that what was that nightmare/dream scene even about, people asking did eugeo really kill someone from his family ? since no one had any clue about his family or his guilt. his self hate. etc

and that's not all ! this all also lead to Eugeo's final decision, these all are what suddenly gave eugeo the belief that his purpose in going against the taboo of damaging other human's life and then coming there and being there was all so that he can destroy the sword golem that Cardinal could not, since cardinal can't damage any human life but he can.


such a long line of character development and foreshadowing over the cours of 6 volume of book was so simplified in the anime. and that's just on Eugeo's part. a lot of things on Kirito was simplified way too much too.

several page of Kirito vs Chudelkin fight = 10 sec of yelling in the anime. since most of the fight was kirito's inner struggle but anime didn't even mention it, nobody will ever know unless they read the novels ! couldn't they at least add 2 line of dialogue or inner monologue in that moment...

Many other things as well but damn i write so much on eugeo ..... this is kinda off-topic too now that I think about it and I write just a big wall of text Shocked
So I think i stop here Neutral
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Top Gun



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:19 am Reply with quote
Key wrote:

I'm curious about what you think was so dumb about the end of Part 1, especially since that scene is going to have a huge impact on Part 2.

I mean do you have all day? spoiler[The cackling villainess casually standing around monologuing with her bits on display. The fat rape clown (seriously, what the hell) who was primarily there to put a cherry on the shit sundae that is the franchise's handling of sexual violence. Eugeo doing it for the tits until he snapped out of it and decided his best course of action was to turn into a giant freaking sword and zoom around the room until lol whoops he fails at life. The show expecting us to give a damn about a spider who'd been on screen for all of 30 seconds. Eugeo just lying there for minutes on-end sliced in half. Naked villainess continuing to prance around armless.] The fact that someone was actually paid for writing that continues to boggle my mind. It must be good to be Kawahara.

But again, as I said, the franchise has a grand tradition of this sort of stupidity. spoiler[The main villain going "dunno, guess I did it for the lulz" at the climax of the first arc. The tentacle rape and actual attempted rape and sure why not incest of ALO. The Key VN tragedy-porn level of a girl dying from Super-AIDS she got from a freaking blood transfusion. GGO almost escaped, but nope here's another attempted rape scene because Kawahara gets off on this shit. And of course the utter and supreme cluster**** of Alicization's edited minutes of bullshit.] Out of all my years watching anime, I've never seen a series with such high production values be paired with such horrrifically-bad writing. I mean at least it's unintentionally hilarious?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:48 am Reply with quote
Top Gun wrote:
I mean do you have all day? spoiler[The cackling villainess casually standing around monologuing with her bits on display. The fat rape clown (seriously, what the hell) who was primarily there to put a cherry on the shit sundae that is the franchise's handling of sexual violence. Eugeo doing it for the tits until he snapped out of it and decided his best course of action was to turn into a giant freaking sword and zoom around the room until lol whoops he fails at life. The show expecting us to give a damn about a spider who'd been on screen for all of 30 seconds. Eugeo just lying there for minutes on-end sliced in half. Naked villainess continuing to prance around armless.] The fact that someone was actually paid for writing that continues to boggle my mind. It must be good to be Kawahara.

I commented on all of this in the episode reviews so I'm not going to rehash it here. Unless you're really that turned off by the nudity (which there was a purpose for), the only legitimate (i.e., not-completely-subjective) complaint I saw in all of that was spoiler[the length of Eugeo's death scene.]

The rest of that post was either completely inaccurate (there was no spoiler[tentacle rape] or anything close to it; that's just a grossly exaggerated description of what actually happened) or extremely highly subjective interpretation, so I'm not going to waste my time addressing it.
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Top Gun



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:20 am Reply with quote
Oh no, a girl getting dangled upside-down and groped by writhing tentacle monsters (WHY would sysadmins take that avatar exactly? Any legitimate purpose?) wasn't meant to have any further connotations at all. Just a normal human interaction there.

And no, there was absolutely no reason to have the villain remain naked (with hair magically positioned at all times!) other than giving the otaku masses something to ogle. Let's call a spade a spade here. It's the sort of thing that utterly demolishes suspension of disbelief.

And subjective it may be, but it is my firm assertion that the spoiler[fat rape-clown trying to dry-hump the Pontifex and Eugeo turning into a horribly-rendered CGI sword] are equal contenders for this franchise's Big-Lipped Alligator Moment, to steal a beautiful TV Tropes phrase.
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CelestialEmpress



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:00 pm Reply with quote
Key wrote:
I'm curious about what you think was so dumb about the end of Part 1, especially since that scene is going to have a huge impact on Part 2.

Did...did you miss the part where spoiler[the naked megalomaniac bursts into flame as a result of being sexually assaulted by a disgusting rape clown that's also on fire?] You really wanna go to bat for that being a good scene?
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Pedram



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:37 pm Reply with quote
Top Gun wrote:

And no, there was absolutely no reason to have the villain remain naked (with hair magically positioned at all times!) other than giving the otaku masses something to ogle. Let's call a spade a spade here. It's the sort of thing that utterly demolishes suspension of disbelief.


This scene was written back in around ~2005 ! inside a webnovel when the author didn't even expect or tried for his Webnovel to turn into an anime !
the webnovel had no illustration either.
there is no specific detail about her body either and the novel never describe her body in the battle at all. in fact, in the novel you pretty much forget she is even naked.

so saying that this was written this way for ogling otaku is obviously wrong.

She lost her cloth due to the attack and became naked since her cloth durability was destroyed. but she didn't feel the need to spend the time and "resource" to generate herself a new one. the reason for this is also explained in the novels, and hinted in the anime.

firstly, she see herself as a god and others as ant, you don't feel the need to cover your body from your hamster in the house do you ?

2ndly, she don't see anyone in there as a human and she don't even see her avatar as her real body, she see everything as a bunch of data, so why the hell should she care to cover it ? that's her mindset.


CelestialEmpress wrote:

Did...did you miss the part where spoiler[the naked megalomaniac bursts into flame as a result of being sexually assaulted by a disgusting rape clown that's also on fire?] You really wanna go to bat for that being a good scene?


That's not true tho. but anime did make it a bit weird compare to the novels

spoiler[The clown didn't rape quinella, he didn't jump to rape quinella either,
Quinella only had a very small amount of hp left on her, she said she is going to the outside world, Chudelkin the clown basically burnt his remaining life to jump and hug Quinella while yelling "your Eminence, take me with you" and the fire from him damaged the remaining life of Quinella and both of them died. there was no raping going on here,

while the anime did exaggerated this here a bit but if you notice the guy turn into skeleton second after hugging quinella and the dick is not a bone, so the guy didn't even had a dick to use by the time he hug her, so obviously could not even rape her if he wanted to lmao]


This whole scene is like Karma getting back at Quinella and spoiler[after all the atrocities that she did, this was a pretty fitting end for her to die by the hand of one of her own subordinate that she regard as trash. and due to an unintentional damage at that too lol since Chudelkin just wanted to log out along with her and not kill her. ]

So yeh, I found it pretty nice ending for her.
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dark_bozu



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:07 pm Reply with quote
My top-5 looks like this: 1) FGO Babylonia; 2) Blade of the Immortal; 3) Ahiru no Sora; 4) HeroAca S4; 5) Beastars.

Babylonia has awesome production, strong team and great story (so we won't get "surprises" like Darling in the Franxx), Blade of the immortal looks interesting and I'm curious what the staff will create without TV stations restrictions. Ahiru no Sora looks like modern Slam Dunk lol And I'm starved for badass sports stories. HeroAca S4 looks great - I love previous seasons, so I would watch the next one and I'm happy that the staff behind it were provided with a lot of time, so I expect a great quality of animations. Beastars - I love source material and I was enjoyed the previous adaptation by studio Orange (houseki no kuni).

I would watch a lot of other works, but I have concerns regarding: Psycho-pass 3 - there's zero information about it and I think it would be delayed or ended up looking bad thanks to hellish deadlines/production.
Nanatsu no Taizai S3 - studio deen would outsorce most of its episodes to a small studio that created Itou Junji: Collection... So I think it would look bad, maybe average at times.
SAO: A S2 - hopefully it would look like those good episodes from 1st season of alicization...
No Guns Life - I don't believe in madhouse right now, unless they would change my opinion next season with good releases (unlike Shoumetsu Toshi or Overlord III).
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