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penguintruth
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:27 pm
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Zeino wrote: |
Ah oddball who use to kill off his female love interests for the sake of DRAMA aka fridging, you mean. |
Please. Tomino kills off everyone. That's why he's Kill 'Em All Tomino.
Anyway, Fa survived. So did Roux. And Fraw Bow. Sayla Mass. Shahkti. Kihel and Dianna, as well.
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Panino Manino
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:30 pm
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This is also bothers me, specially on KyoAni shows.
It's like there's some sort of psychological barrier and tabu that hinders the romance. It can never ever pass a certain point.
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Top Gun
Joined: 28 Sep 2007
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:32 pm
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Quote: | He then went on to describe Shinkai's works as "stories about a boy and a girl who are always stretching out their hands towards each other," and said, "And yet the boy's hand never reaches the girl's crotch." |
Everything else aside, this line is absolute gold.
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v1cious
Joined: 31 Dec 2002
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:38 pm
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While, it was distasteful to bring up Kyoani, I do agree with what he's saying. The "Notice me Sempai!" stuff is getting old really quick. Modern anime directors seem to have a problem portraying actual mature relationships. I personally blame the rise of moe culture, which I guess was facilitated by Kyoani. Still wasn't good timing to take a dig at them.
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Shar Aznabull
Joined: 12 Jan 2015
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:38 pm
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They hated Tomino because he told them the truth.
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kotomikun
Joined: 06 May 2013
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:38 pm
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Breaking news: Man makes absurd and offensive comments to attract media attention! Oh, and it's not the U.S. president this time.
Like... he's there to advertise for a movie. I certainly don't agree with those comments, but he knows exactly what he's doing--no such thing as bad publicity. Also, the interviewer was Playboy.
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Яeverse
Joined: 16 Jun 2014
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:42 pm
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RinHaru needed to get physical with their romance for each other. How do teenagers with raging hormones keep to themselves when sharing the same bed is utterly perplexing. Free! was the perfect chance for a mature relationship that goes through the ups and the downs and thensome, just need the physicality and it'd have been perfect.
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Watanabefan
Joined: 02 Oct 2017
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:51 pm
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Tomino going full grumpy old man and pulling a Scorsese. You love to see it.
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Utsuro no Hako
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:57 pm
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Megiddo wrote: | Also more thinking on this, but Shinkai's work for me has always been about young love that doesn't work out for various reasons. I wouldn't expect any of the young 'couples' (for lack of a better words) in Voices of a Distant Star, Beyond the Clouds, 5 cm/s, Garden of Words, or Your Name to have any sort of physical relationship. Shinkai doesn't exactly write couples with the most romantic promise. They're typically separated in some way, shape, or form by time, space, or geographic location. |
Okay, but "young love that doesn't work" out can include sex. In fact, adding sex to the mix increases the drama.There are whole realms of failed youthful relationships that Shinkai will never write about because he's telling the variations of the same story.
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AiddonValentine
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:59 pm
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Cardcaptor Takato wrote: | TBH it feels rather crass for Tomino to be calling out KyonAni over something petty like this after what they've been through. And if anything modern anime is far more sexualized and pervy than anything that's ever been in Gundam. |
Yeah, bad timing on his part. Plus it's a bit bizarre considering I've never seen him write romantic relationships worth a damn and that Turn A Gundam end with essentially the main character and his lover interest in a sexless marriage. It's one of those moments where I wish old men would just shut up and find a hobby
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Frog-kun
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:09 pm
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Thanks folks for the feedback. I've removed "Kyoto Animation" from the headline as Tomino seemed to be specifically addressing Shinkai's works (even if he brought up KyoAni at the start), and while I was at it, I changed "Sex" to "Sexual intimacy", as the implication is clear that he's talking about romantic relationships with physical intimacy rather than pornography or fanservice.
Related to the topic of this article, I do recall that the Mobile Gundam Suit novelisations written by Tomino do involve Amuro having a sexual relationship with Sayla. However, I don't know enough about Tomino's work overall to know if there are more examples of his characters getting intimate. Does anyone know of other examples?
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Araki
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:12 pm
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Utsuro no Hako wrote: |
Megiddo wrote: | Also more thinking on this, but Shinkai's work for me has always been about young love that doesn't work out for various reasons. I wouldn't expect any of the young 'couples' (for lack of a better words) in Voices of a Distant Star, Beyond the Clouds, 5 cm/s, Garden of Words, or Your Name to have any sort of physical relationship. Shinkai doesn't exactly write couples with the most romantic promise. They're typically separated in some way, shape, or form by time, space, or geographic location. |
Okay, but "young love that doesn't work" out can include sex. In fact, adding sex to the mix increases the drama.There are whole realms of failed youthful relationships that Shinkai will never write about because he's telling the variations of the same story. |
And just to add to that, it doesn't mean a story needs to go all seinen/jousei and actually portray sex scenes and all. Just show, even if subtly, that your characters aren't castrated and you can tell a different kind of story already.
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Romuska
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:27 pm
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I really need to stop clicking on articles with Tomino’s name in the headline. He’s clearly got issues that are not being attended to.
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walw6pK4Alo
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:43 pm
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Oh Tomino, you card. He is right, but still.
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Somer-_-
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:57 pm
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Honestly thinking this is about "pandering" or "sexism" just means his comments obviously went over your head. Sexuality is an inherent part of human relationships and omitting it outright can make a romance seem hammy and underdeveloped. Not advocating for full on sex scenes or anything but there are ways to implement that.
I feel crazy for agreeing with Tomino but this shouldn't be that controversial in any way other than the wording which is weird.
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