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ATastySub
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Joined: 19 Jan 2012
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 Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:27 pm
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| El Hermano wrote: |
| Takizawa-Shinzou wrote: | | Not really "nonsense" when it's a fact. It is just a drawing. |
One Canadian blogger called the loli drawings and child model stuff on 8chan child pronography, then a bunch of news sites picked it up and rolled with it spreading misinformation. So now people think there's this US-based site that has openly been hosting actual child pronography for years and years and is able to get away with it for some unknown, mysterious reason. |
I know this is disingenuous garbage, as the site itself confirmed there was child porn because they refused to moderate and then even tried to claim there was but clearly the journalist secretly uploaded it for years ahead of time to finally report on, but congrats on showing your hand with the child model stuff. Please try to explain why a bunch of gross not-so-nice-people who aren’t even allowed on 4chan needed a new place to share pictures of real children to masturbate to and how that doesn’t make them pedophiles.
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
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Location: Bellevue, WA
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:12 pm
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| Tuor_of_Gondolin wrote: | |
I read what was posted by ANN, which left the matter kind of vague to me, hence my post. |
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"Posting Child Pornography via TOR" headline is vague? Dude got arrested in Japan, which has a... rather lenient attitude towards this type of material. Kyoto police have been cracking down on this darknet stuff for the past few years. |
The body of the article was vague. Some people treat drawings of children as child porn while others only consider pictures to be child porn. Since I didn't know which camp the author of the article fell into, I hoped that the content of the article would clarify it for me, but it didn't.
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DavetheUsher
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:26 pm
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| ATastySub wrote: | | Please try to explain why a bunch of gross not-so-nice-people who aren’t even allowed on 4chan needed a new place to share pictures of real children to masturbate to and how that doesn’t make them pedophiles. |
Re-read what they said. They said it's not CP, not that those people ain't pedophiles. You don't have to like child model stuff, but it's not illegal, which is kinda the whole point of why it's allowed to exist.
Also, if you think those people aren't allowed on 4chan...  The only reason 4chan got rid of /l/, the loli board, was for advertisers. None of it's about legality or the user base being against it, it's about it's a lot harder to find sponsors and advertisers who are okay with being placed next to pictures of that stuff.
| Tuor_of_Gondolin wrote: | | The body of the article was vague. Some people treat drawings of children as child porn while others only consider pictures to be child porn. Since I didn't know which camp the author of the article fell into, I hoped that the content of the article would clarify it for me, but it didn't. |
It was the actual, real stuff. Japan isn't going to arrest anyone for drawings. They've been pretty adamant about protecting artistic freedom and defending loli. Although there has been cases where Japanese tourists were arrested while visitng foreign countries because it was on their phone or laptop, since customs are allowed to search those without a warrant.
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:19 pm
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| Tuor_of_Gondolin wrote: | | The body of the article was vague. Some people treat drawings of children as child porn while others only consider pictures to be child porn. Since I didn't know which camp the author of the article fell into, I hoped that the content of the article would clarify it for me, but it didn't. |
| DavetheUsher wrote: | | It was the actual, real stuff. Japan isn't going to arrest anyone for drawings. They've been pretty adamant about protecting artistic freedom and defending loli. Although there has been cases where Japanese tourists were arrested while visitng foreign countries because it was on their phone or laptop, since customs are allowed to search those without a warrant. |
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Then if it was actual photos of children, the guy should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Like most people, I think exploiting children is reprehensible.
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steelmirror
Joined: 22 Oct 2015
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Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:02 pm
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| Firefly251 wrote: | | IIRC didn't Japan make it a criem to draw too realistic young people anymore? |
Not a crime to draw, no. As far as I know, there are very few places on Earth where you can be incriminated by drawing something. |
I feel like getting too specific with this will run afoul of board standards, but I wanted to put in perspective that there are huge parts of the world that don't have the kind of robust protections for expression that people take for granted in the West.
Huge parts of the world you can get in big trouble for drawing individuals of religious significance. Many countries, some very large countries, have little sense of humor about parodic political cartoons, and it's criminal in many parts of the world to depict homosexual acts in cartoon, for example.
In fact I think (citation probably needed, but it seems likelt) that the majority of the world's population, number-wise, lives under regimes with laws that explicitly criminalize one or more types of drawings in the above and similar categories.
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ThugsBunny3840
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:39 pm
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If those images were of real children, I hope he gets what's coming to him. That said, I really do hope people don't use this to paint all artists in this particular genre with the same brush, there's bad apples in every profession. But I have a feeling someone will, unfortunately... |
With a subgenre like this, a lot of people had and will not think very fondly of artists who do this type of work. That just comes with the territory.
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