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Best LGBTQ+ Characters of 2019

Reading this thread, since when has Ho Yay been LGBT characterization? Its intended as between the lines and usually as fanservice.

Japan doesn't dwell on these subjects because they dont have problems with identity politics, either with a GLBT movement or a religious right, which speaks as the majority, but obviously issn't.

motokokusanagi002 wrote:

Reading this thread, since when has Ho Yay been LGBT characterization? Its intended as between the lines and usually as fanservice. Japan doesn't dwell on these subjects because they dont have problems with identity politics, either with a GLBT movement or a religious right, which speaks as the majority, but obviously issn't.

That's patently false.

animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-08-02/speak-out-japan-lgbtq-community-responds-to-politician-sugita-discriminatory-statements/.134642

It's not a "preference" for medical transition; it's legally required. If you're married, you're required to divorce and then there's the required sterilization. It might not be rooted in Christian values, but it's hardly a cakewalk for LGBT folks there and there's plenty of information about the legal fights and awareness being done at rallies and in politics.

Masking discrimination in the ability to reproduce IS just as awful as basing it on God's word or any other reason. One is not more reasonable than the other.

octopodpie wrote:

It's not a "preference" for medical transition; it's legally required. If you're married, you're required to divorce and then there's the required sterilization. It might not be rooted in Christian values, but it's hardly a cakewalk for LGBT folks there and there's plenty of information about the legal fights and awareness being done at rallies and in politics. Masking discrimination in the ability to reproduce IS just as awful as basing it on God's word or any other reason. One is not more reasonable than the other.

That is one opinion: speaking to gay and GID people from Japan, they don't find it as objectionable as Western activists seem to. This goes back to the infamous Blue Boy ruling, which itself was a demonstration that transsexuals were of sound mind and body in Japanese culture: it was permissable to sterilise the insane, but not people of a healthy mind and body. Doubtless the Japanese were thinking of onnagata and such, their attitudes shaped further by a Shinto aversion to bodily modification, later on still to be influenced by gender duality - a problem for LGBTs in the US, is they are seen as subverting norms. My point is, that societies have their own frames, how they deal with things, that shape opinion more than the local versions of ideologies.

motokokusanagi002 wrote:

octopodpie wrote: It's not a "preference" for medical transition; it's legally required. If you're married, you're required to divorce and then there's the required sterilization. It might not be rooted in Christian values, but it's hardly a cakewalk for LGBT folks there and there's plenty of information about the legal fights and awareness being done at rallies and in politics. Masking discrimination in the ability to reproduce IS just as awful as basing it on God's word or any other reason. One is not more reasonable than the other. That is one opinion: speaking to gay and GID people from Japan, they don't find it as objectionable as Western activists seem to. This goes back to the infamous Blue Boy ruling, which itself was a demonstration that transsexuals were of sound mind and body in Japanese culture: it was permissable to sterilise the insane, but not people of a healthy mind and body. Doubtless the Japanese were thinking of onnagata and such, their attitudes shaped further by a Shinto aversion to bodily modification, later on still to be influenced by gender duality - a problem for LGBTs in the US, is they are seen as subverting norms. My point is, that societies have their own frames, how they deal with things, that shape opinion more than the local versions of ideologies.

You are correct in that Japan has different cultural frames for their homophobia (although much of it was imported from Western cultures during the Meiji Restoration) but that doesn't change that what you said initially, that Japan doesn't have a major LGBT movement, is incredibly incorrect

I live in Japan and can confirm it's not really a big movement here. There's some political activity in Tokyo and occasionally Osaka, but overwhelmingly people don't really care who you sleep with on your own time. Part of this is due to the fact that overt romantic gestures (kissing, making out, even holding hands) are far less common here in public, regardless of genders.

But no, I love it when some white girl from America tells me how things are here.

Promare!? Waver!? Look, I LOVE me some BL. I can ship a couple with nothing more than a shared glance, and that’s all those two examples are......shipping. Yeah widdle Waver idolized Iskander, and maybe had a man-crush, but that boy was too stuck in his own head to have a relationship with a man or woman. No, I don’t want to hear “asexual” shouted out now. Promare is just as absurd. Galo is a meat head. He was only copying what he saw Lio doing earlier when he tried to save that girl. So what? Now when paramedics are administering breaths, when they come up for compressions, they have to call out “no-homo!”? You want a good example of “Ohhhhh, it’s going there!”, then that would be NO.6. That show had feels.
I do really like Given (didn’t pussyfoot around it like Yuri on Ice (still love you Yuri!)). Big yes to Stars Align. Nod to Yu, and a big ship to Maki/Toma. What kind of crap is that, that the remain episodes are up in the air? Lastly Astra Lost in Space, I think Ulgar and Luca may hook up.

Not that Yuri on Ice actually pussyfooted anyway, the anime is quite explicit and vocal in ways not even straight couples are (Seriously, how many couple in anime even hold hands? . It just shows the massive double standards when it comes to accepting this as "canon", imagine if Yuuri was a girl and someone claimed the characters were straight.

Machikado Mazoku is gets snubbed again. Why is it so unpopular in the west?!