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AiddonValentine
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 Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:39 am
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That and some people have suspected why companies like Sony have been demanding changes to 3rd party titles isn't because of the US, but to appease the Chinese government in order to get into the market. People can mention Azur Lane until they're blue in the face, but that's also a Chinese-made game, not an import. It's not so much about targeting specific choices in a game as it is about the government exerting control and flexing its muscles so to speak.
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Crispy45
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Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:57 am
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| AiddonValentine wrote: | | That and some people have suspected why companies like Sony have been demanding changes to 3rd party titles isn't because of the US, but to appease the Chinese government in order to get into the market. People can mention Azur Lane until they're blue in the face, but that's also a Chinese-made game, not an import. It's not so much about targeting specific choices in a game as it is about the government exerting control and flexing its muscles so to speak. |
Actually, we've had plenty of Japanese developers outright say it's because they have to answer to Sony's new HQ in California and adhere to American censorship and standards for that. Even Sony themselves have pretty much said it's because of changing political landscapes in America, specifically #MeToo
"Two factors last year combined to turn that unease [of these new policies] into action, these Sony officials say. One was the rise of the #MeToo movement in the U.S., which pointed to the dangers of being associated with content that some migt see as demeaning to women. The second was the emergence of channels on sites like YouTube and Amazon Inc.’s Twitch where gamers play in front of a camera and are watched by fans online.
To blame China for this feels like a bit of a scapegoat. Both America and China certainly have their issues, but given what we've seen so far, China's big headlines all seem to be around statements made by spokespeople or players rather than any game itself. The Blizzard thing wasn't actually about the game the player was playing, it was a political statement the player made during an official tournament. The actual game itself had nothing to do with it. And people have been banned from many official tournaments or gathering due to politics or statements they've made so it's nothing really new. ADQ just banned a speedrunner from Spain because of political views as well. America's issues seem to actually affect the games themselves. I remember hearing even Azur Lane had some censorship in America, ironically, because the Apple and Android stores have very strict content guidelines. A lot of mobile games get censored in America as a result.
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:51 am
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All I’m saying is if you’re going to claim to be opposed to censorship but you’re not being consistent in your opposition or you only care about it when it aligns with your views or only when it effects fanservice games and not actual real world people and how this effects people’s lives maybe consider censorship is not the thing you’re really concerned about.
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BadNewsBlues
Joined: 21 Sep 2014
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Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:55 pm
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| Horsefellow wrote: | |
That's what I meant. |
If that's what you meant that's what you should've said instead of "they removed it because of american and european audiences". Americans and Europeans don't hate gambling....the after effects of what it can cause yes but the not the actual practice so with that in mind how would they affect Gamefreak removing gambling from their pokemon games.
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The series used to just do what it wanted and left the act of censoring things up to the western versions to do on their own. These days they actively remove things even in the original Japanese version to fit western sensibilities ever since XY when it shifted to have a simultaneous worldwide release and lost a lot of the unique Japanese appeal the franchise had. |
Historically the games have largely scrubbed the japanese aesthetics them sure they keep things like Erika wearing a kimono, Koga and his daughter being ninjas (at least in appearances), some of the music etc. in other words we've been here since 1998 and it was never because of western sensibilities but the belief we need to make this palatable for non japanese gamers.
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So trying to use that as an example of why people should fear China getting into the market is strange when everything we've seen is the exact opposite. |
Because as mentioned China is much much worst than the west when it comes to censorship in most mediums. Simply because they don't censor a certain kind of content doesn't made what they do any less questionable.
| Horsefellow wrote: | | Even if China censors some things, it's only for their version of the product and they have no problem with the original versions being uncensored and available for other people elsewhere in the world |
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Neither do we. Another key difference is that China's government actively decides what content they deem acceptable for their versions of the media that's imported to their country.....the U.S. doesn't do this and that's left largely on the hands of the publishers and distributors working in tandem with ratings boards.
| Horsefellow wrote: | | So far, China becoming more involved in production of our media has been noting but positive, |
Well sure if you ignore the parts where the Chinese government gets outraged at anyone speaking negatively (or not) about the country or it's policies or speaking favorably about places like Taiwan. And then tries to strong-arm those people into being reprimanded or fired.
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while America becoming more involved has had a lot of bad things like Sony's new content policies, or the Pokemon stuff. |
Yeah the former of which affects a very small group of niche games while the latter as mentioned isn't on the west but a european ratings board and is entirely negligible.
Yeah the Game Corner no longer being in the games is sad but we've gotten along fine for the last 4 generations without it.
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