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chronium



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:18 pm Reply with quote
I don't like the new voice for the coach is there a reason for the change?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:31 pm Reply with quote
^the original voice actor, Kazunari Tanaka, tragically passed away during season 3's recording. IIRC his last recorded performance was episode 7.
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Gina Szanboti



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:51 pm Reply with quote
I'm one of those who don't like the new designs, but I'll cope. I'm most happy to hear we get 25 episodes, as I'd thought this was going to be another short cour of 10 or so. Now I can relax about the pacing and just watch it unfold.
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The designs are really going south and it shows. Was there any change in production or are they just saving budget to use later on?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:31 pm Reply with quote
I did get a kick out of Kageyama’s reaction the “feather-hair” boy. While I think the training camp arc is valuable, I really miss the verbal sparring between Hinata and Kageyama, plus I miss the whole Karasuno gang. I feel I’m watching some necessary character/player growth, but these episodes have not been the most enjoyable for me. Like Gina said, glad we’ve got a full 25 episodes. Looking forward to the teammates being reunited.

Still, just SO happy to have my boys back!
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But a dinner between two of the under-coaches (assistant coaches? Sub-coaches? I didn't play team sports)
Assistant coaches is the general term but it can change depending on the sport. In Basketball there is many assistant coaches but the head assistant coach is like the coaches number 2 who takes over for coach if they get ejected or can not be at the game for some reason. There are also specialty coaches in basketball who might also be assistants but they dont have to be. For example you could have a free throw shooting coach but they would not necessarily be an assistant but the Strength and conditioning coach could be both or vise versa. In baseball you dont have a Head Coach you have a Manager and when the manager gets eject the bench coach generally becomes the manager so the bench coach is the de-facto head assistant. I will say though i have never heard anyone ever use the terms under or sub coaches.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:37 pm Reply with quote
Treecko Tempo wrote:
I will say though i have never heard anyone ever use the terms under or sub coaches.


Yeah, I think I made those up; I was at a total loss. Laughing Embarassed

Thanks for the info! I ran cross-country, but I'm mostly out of my depth with the finer points of the terminology.
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...trying to play in a safe way that pleases everyone. ... it'll be worth watching to see how, and if, he can learn to be more flexible in his playstyle.

I don't understand this. If he can play in a way that pleases everyone, that sounds pretty damn flexible to me. But moreover, I didn't understand Atsumu's criticism in the first place. Oikawa practically beat it into his head that a setter's job was exactly that - to put the ball where the spiker wants it. Which is what Kageyama was doing. I don't blame him for looking exasperated. It seemed to me like a jealous dig because Kageyama was able to be so flexible in his play that he could immediately adjust to each of the spikers (and the coaches) after only being told once. Or maybe he was just trying to get under Kageyama's skin when he didn't get to see any fireworks when Hoshiumi was flipping out on him. Smile Mostly it felt like a moment to establish that Atsumu is a jerk who's looking to be trouble for Kageyama.

I really miss the old fun and creative eyecatches, which were concise distillations of each character's personality. The plushy Hinata birds are boring and seem more like ads for merch than eyecatches. I could watch the old ones over and over and still laugh, but these I can't wait to get past and back to the show.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:59 am Reply with quote
Gina Szanboti wrote:

I don't understand this. If he can play in a way that pleases everyone, that sounds pretty damn flexible to me. But moreover, I didn't understand Atsumu's criticism in the first place. Oikawa practically beat it into his head that a setter's job was exactly that - to put the ball where the spiker wants it. Which is what Kageyama was doing. I don't blame him for looking exasperated. It seemed to me like a jealous dig because Kageyama was able to be so flexible in his play that he could immediately adjust to each of the spikers (and the coaches) after only being told once. Or maybe he was just trying to get under Kageyama's skin when he didn't get to see any fireworks when Hoshiumi was flipping out on him. Smile Mostly it felt like a moment to establish that Atsumu is a jerk who's looking to be trouble for Kageyama.


That's a good point - I was looking at it as Kageyama being annoyed at getting conflicting information (which I think he'd see as jabs) at/about his setting style. He's either playing so that he's doing what the spiker wants (a la Oikawa) or doing what he thinks is best, which is more what Atsumu is getting at (and Kageyama's natural inclination) - not a combination of both, which could be beneficial at times in my totally-limited-to-this-show (and a couple manga series)-based idea of the sport. Given what I know of Atsumu from the manga, yeah, I think he was just being a jerk; it's how Kageyama's frustration could been interpreted from his own perspective that I was getting at.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:47 am Reply with quote
Princess_Irene wrote:

That's a good point - I was looking at it as Kageyama being annoyed at getting conflicting information (which I think he'd see as jabs) at/about his setting style. He's either playing so that he's doing what the spiker wants (a la Oikawa) or doing what he thinks is best, which is more what Atsumu is getting at (and Kageyama's natural inclination) - not a combination of both, which could be beneficial at times in my totally-limited-to-this-show (and a couple manga series)-based idea of the sport.
It probably would be good for Kageyama to play off of his natural instinct more often instead of playing it safe all the time trying to please everyone, for the reason that when you playing sports to win some times you have to make split second decisions and him being the setter he dictates the way the play is going to go. So if he sees or senses something that the other are not he should go for it. It may vary well change the flow of the game for better or worse you have to make these decisions on the fly and the safe play is not always the best play. As playing conservatively can both win and lose you games. An example of his would be in soccer or basketball when the player has the ball and could easily make the pass in front of them and set up for a possible future score or do a pass were they believe there teammates are based on how they know the flow of the game is going and pass behind themselves for a guaranteed score but if they miss they turn the ball over.
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Treecko Tempo wrote:
It probably would be good for Kageyama to play off of his natural instinct more often instead of playing it safe all the time trying to please everyone...

I guess I'm not seeing where you and Rebecca are getting the idea that he's playing it "safe." Atsumu's dig was that he was a "goody-two-shoes," apparently for trying to be polite to others instead of being "prickly" and biting back at them (as his former self probably would have done). He didn't elaborate beyond that. Rebecca interpreted that as playing it safe, but to me that's not what he was doing. He was making adjustments to accommodate his spikers and follow the general advice of the coaches who presumably know more or see a different picture (since he can't see himself or behind him at all times). Accepting advice and listening to what his spikers want seems to me what Atsumu was calling being a goody-two-shoes, not that he was only making "safe" plays. He was expecting or hoping Kageyama would be more, "I'll set the ball where and how I want to, and you'll like it!"

Adjusting his sets to suit his spikers doesn't remove the fact that the setter is still the playmaker - it's up to him to choose who to set to, based on the situation on the court at that moment. That's where his natural instinct comes in, and as far as I can see, he hasn't been playing in a way that suppresses that. He's only been refining how he sets to each of the various spikers, which is exactly what he should be doing.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:25 pm Reply with quote
Yeah I interpreted it the same way as Gina. I think it all comes back to the whole good king vs dictator king thing. You know about how Kageyama was more like a dictator back in middleschool but changed to a decent or matoma king.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:07 pm Reply with quote
Gina Szanboti wrote:
Treecko Tempo wrote:
It probably would be good for Kageyama to play off of his natural instinct more often instead of playing it safe all the time trying to please everyone...

I guess I'm not seeing where you and Rebecca are getting the idea that he's playing it "safe." Atsumu's dig was that he was a "goody-two-shoes," apparently for trying to be polite to others instead of being "prickly" and biting back at them (as his former self probably would have done). He didn't elaborate beyond that. Rebecca interpreted that as playing it safe, but to me that's not what he was doing. He was making adjustments to accommodate his spikers and follow the general advice of the coaches who presumably know more or see a different picture (since he can't see himself or behind him at all times). Accepting advice and listening to what his spikers want seems to me what Atsumu was calling being a goody-two-shoes, not that he was only making "safe" plays. He was expecting or hoping Kageyama would be more, "I'll set the ball where and how I want to, and you'll like it!"

Adjusting his sets to suit his spikers doesn't remove the fact that the setter is still the playmaker - it's up to him to choose who to set to, based on the situation on the court at that moment. That's where his natural instinct comes in, and as far as I can see, he hasn't been playing in a way that suppresses that. He's only been refining how he sets to each of the various spikers, which is exactly what he should be doing.


Imo Atsumu was basically saying "Stop asking people how they feel about your tosses. Your job is to send the ball to the one you decide is the most appropriate, while theirs is to score.". Aka They need to stop being catered to by Kageyama and start getting on his level of effort.
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So you think he should have the attitude of "I'll set the ball where and how I want to, and you'll like it!"? That's exactly what got him into the problems he had with his middle school team and earned him the "King of the Court" epithet.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:10 am Reply with quote
Gina Szanboti wrote:
So you think he should have the attitude of "I'll set the ball where and how I want to, and you'll like it!"? That's exactly what got him into the problems he had with his middle school team and earned him the "King of the Court" epithet.



I feel like he should be a mix of the two. Know when to relent, but also push his teammates to be better and hit his harder tosses. They might be harder to hit, but they're also harder to receive on the other side.
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