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Lynx Raven Raide



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:43 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:

Top Gun wrote:
...so you really think these networks canceled their broadcasts because of the actions of a Sony subsidiary and not because they never read the manga they can acquire at their corner store before giving the ok to the broadcast?


Clarified your post.


Madman Anime Group/AnimeLab: Sony subsidiary.
Wakanim: Sony subsidiary.

With the exception of the Wakanim's Nordic division, these two still stream the series, so your correction was unnecessary. Also Funi pulled it after 3 episodes where as Tokyo MX gave it one more week and Sun gave it 3 more weeks, meaning they were still giving it the benefit of the doubt before pulling it. That being said, I wonder how many complaints they received before Funi pulling it and how many after. It wouldn't surprise me if this is less a result of Funi's direct decision and more the publicity that decision generated.

bennyl wrote:
This show is probably the funniest of the season and easily the most self aware. Frankly, it's no worse than what Amazon presented in The Boys . spoiler[dude gets blown up by a explosive suppository, but cartoon slime sex is a bridge too far?] . I don't blame Funimation or some of the other outlets, though. It's not their wheelhouse.

I still feel in the case of Amazon it's a case of losing their translator since Funi pulled out, because the license would be Funi's and Amazon's a sub license with Funi so without the source, they would be better off just pulling the entire thing since having 3 episodes would drive customers to find it elsewhere, potentially losing Amazon customers.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:49 pm Reply with quote
Lynx Raven Raide wrote:
Madman Anime Group/AnimeLab: Sony subsidiary.
Wakanim: Sony subsidiary.


Not quite, Wakanim from day one has been an Aniplex company, Animelab was recently bought by Aniplex. Meanwhile Funimation bought Manga Entertainment in the UK. This whole IR mess shows that the Funimation/Aniplex merger is far from a done deal.

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Also Funi pulled it after 3 episodes where as Tokyo MX gave it one more week and Sun gave it 3 more weeks, meaning they were still giving it the benefit of the doubt before pulling it. That being said, I wonder how many complaints they received before Funi pulling


If there was some kind of public uproar that made TV broadcaster pull the plug we should have already heard in this website. Historically pulling the plug in broadcast anime in japan is a fluke, not par for de course. Japanese are not the kind of culture where they will do something to "let hell loose" quite the opposite, they will check to see if anything goes against the rules and sound the alarm before broadcast day. When anime is pulled is because a recent event has made it unpalatable some people (like the fukushima earthquake/tsunami) or a case where reality imitates fiction (School Days murder was similar to a recent real life event). When Excel Saga last episode went too far it was removed prior to broadcast.

The staff at Passione made no secret what kind of material they were adapting so it getting the axe without any visible public uproar stinks of people higher up giving the order, I do not see the japanese "giving it x more episodes", their culture is quite trigger happy once any trespassing of the rules is detected.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:57 pm Reply with quote
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If I'm prejudice towards a piece of media, there is no moral detriment to my character. I'm simply adhering to what precedence I've experienced with similar works upon one work. Prior experience with similar works can let me know if something is right or wrong for me.

While I agree with your statement here in principal, the italicized part is where your logic is faulty in this particular case. I've seen (and reviewed!) a lot of ecchi anime shows over the years, including most of the titles that would rank among the raciest non-hentai titles that have ever been made, so I can say with confidence that there isn't anything out there in anime that's very similar to IR. It's a genre-bending show, so making assumptions about it based on what people think might be similar titles will lead people astray.


My statement you quoted is showing the stark difference between allowing precedence to dictate what media you're interested (or disinterested) in consuming, and being prejudice towards people based on their skin color. One is a person's entire history of media consumption applied to one piece of art. Another is a harmful bias learned from a limited experience and then applied to an entire race of people.

Do not get me wrong, I always encourage people to seek out media that's outside of their circle of taste. It's how we grow diverse tastes and discover things we never thought we'd enjoy!

But I want to hammer home that there's no moral detriment against someone if they simply abstain from watching an anime series due to a snap judgement they make against it.

It's fine to do that.
We all do that.
It's why I don't watch [insert collectable toy/game peddling kids anime] just to see if this is the one show that actually breaks the mold. Will I probably miss the one that does? Sure.

Is that the same as thinking that a black person is going to rob and kill me, cause I've been taught black people are violent and greedy?
No. No, no no no no. Absolutely and definitively not even a little.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:01 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:


The staff at Passione made no secret what kind of material they were adapting so it getting the axe without any visible public uproar stinks of people higher up giving the order.


They made no secret what they were adapting, but not how they were adapting it. All accounts from folks familiar with the manga have confirmed the anime has been far, far more explicit than the manga ever was, mostly by animating and playing out events that were only ever presented in the text of the titular reviews each chapter. I find it far, far, far more likely that the anime has just ended up stepping over the line for the broadcasters that have removed it. Be that due to pushback from viewers/subscribers or just an internal decision based on their own self-enforced broadcast standards is arguable, but either way you're just slinging garbage with this insistence that Funimation/Sony/Whoever must have some personal vendetta against the property and are trying to get it off the air.
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Charou wrote:
+1....The fiancee and I *love* IR and consider ourselves blessed we live in Australia, where we can watch the censored version every Sunday on Animelab and use our imaginations until we grab it another way later...
Thanks so much, you lucky blokes! This instance makes me wish I lived in Australia...
AkumaChef wrote:
...While things like human trafficking and sexual slavery are indeed horrible it is absurd to suggest that all incidences of prostitution involve either...
I wasn't meaning to imply "voluntary(?)" meant sexual slavery but that as another poster pointed out, prostitution isn't usually truly voluntary even if done with free will as it is done out of some level of desperation except in rare cases. "Everyone" knows it causes all sorts of emotional and physical trauma and drastically shortens a woman's life span. For that reason I found the character Mitsue out of place as she seems in her 60's and fairly healthy and happy. Regardless, I don't insist on approaching an obvious fantasy story on the basis of reality thus confusing the two. Sometimes I think those who are outraged at some show and are outraged at those who aren't similarly outraged at that show are doing just that...
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lossthief wrote:
They made no secret what they were adapting, but not how they were adapting it. All accounts from folks familiar with the manga have confirmed the anime has been far, far more explicit than the manga ever was ...


... in the uncensored version, we are talking here about censored TV broadcast version here.

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I find it far, far, far more likely that the anime has just ended up stepping over the line for the broadcasters that have removed it.


... and waited several episodes to take the desicion? As I said before, that is not the way japanese enforce the law (either from the government or internal), japanese are quite square in that regard.

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you're just slinging garbage with this insistence that Funimation/Sony/Whoever must have some personal vendetta against the property and are trying to get it off the air.


Until a more plausible explanation (hint: public uproar ain't it) appears, I stand by the idea that a higher up is twisting the arm of tv broadcasters.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:41 am Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:
Lynx Raven Raide wrote:
Madman Anime Group/AnimeLab: Sony subsidiary.
Wakanim: Sony subsidiary.


Not quite, Wakanim from day one has been an Aniplex company, Animelab was recently bought by Aniplex. Meanwhile Funimation bought Manga Entertainment in the UK. This whole IR mess shows that the Funimation/Aniplex merger is far from a done deal.

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Also Funi pulled it after 3 episodes where as Tokyo MX gave it one more week and Sun gave it 3 more weeks, meaning they were still giving it the benefit of the doubt before pulling it. That being said, I wonder how many complaints they received before Funi pulling


If there was some kind of public uproar that made TV broadcaster pull the plug we should have already heard in this website. Historically pulling the plug in broadcast anime in japan is a fluke, not par for de course. Japanese are not the kind of culture where they will do something to "let hell loose" quite the opposite, they will check to see if anything goes against the rules and sound the alarm before broadcast day. When anime is pulled is because a recent event has made it unpalatable some people (like the fukushima earthquake/tsunami) or a case where reality imitates fiction (School Days murder was similar to a recent real life event). When Excel Saga last episode went too far it was removed prior to broadcast.

The staff at Passione made no secret what kind of material they were adapting so it getting the axe without any visible public uproar stinks of people higher up giving the order, I do not see the japanese "giving it x more episodes", their culture is quite trigger happy once any trespassing of the rules is detected.


For the first part Aniplex is Sony. Secondly, it was the Japanese arm that bought Madman and Wakanim, not the American arm, which Sony is for the time being keeping separate. Which leads me to third, it was Sony that made the decision to put Funi, Madman and Wakanim together under the one umbrella.

For the last part, there doesn't need to be a public outcry, just sufficient numbers of complaints to the stations involved
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:46 am Reply with quote
So I wasn't really interested in this show until all the controversy started and a friend urged me to give it a look together. Really enjoyed the first couple eps, it's dumb and horny and it got some pretty big laughs out of me. But episode 3 had some pretty damn blatant transphobia with the whole "This is why guys aren't allowed to leave the genderswap inn" segment and it shocked me enough to stop watching. And yet all the discourse about the show is about it being raunchy, not a single mention of that part. :\
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Hiroki not Takuya wrote:
I wasn't meaning to imply "voluntary(?)" meant sexual slavery but that as another poster pointed out, prostitution isn't usually truly voluntary even if done with free will as it is done out of some level of desperation except in rare cases. "Everyone" knows it causes all sorts of emotional and physical trauma and drastically shortens a woman's life span.


I think that is largely a stereotype being repeated and isn't backed up by the facts. I will admit that it's been about 10 years since I've done much reading on the subject, but around that time I did a lot of research on prostitution in general, and especially in Asia after a friend introduced me to the book Pink Samurai by Nicholas Bornoff. I've watched a number of documentaries on the subject as well. While it's certainly true that prostitution does have a lot of bad things associated with it, and that human trafficking, literal slavery, and so on is often involved, it's also inaccurate to paint it with that wide of a brush. There are women (and men, though it is far more rare) who get into it because they enjoy it, and others have no moral hangups about it and they see it just like any other job. I think that many of us (mainly in the West) are brought up being taught that prostitutes are low-classed people, dirty, that only lowlifes visit prostitutes and so on (I know I was taught that), but cultural attitudes vary widely about that worldwide and not everyone shares our view. To quote Nick Tosches:
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Under the third precept of Buddhism, which demands abstinence from all sexual misconduct, 20 groups of women are listed as forbidden. Whores are not included among them.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:09 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:
The staff at Passione made no secret what kind of material they were adapting so it getting the axe without any visible public uproar stinks of people higher up giving the order, I do not see the japanese "giving it x more episodes", their culture is quite trigger happy once any trespassing of the rules is detected.

I continue to believe this is being spearheaded by Abe’s political cronies. This is Janet Jackson titty gate all over again. Abe and his political allies are very vocal opponents of sex workers and prostitution.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:20 pm Reply with quote
AkumaChef wrote:
Hiroki not Takuya wrote:
I wasn't meaning to imply "voluntary(?)" meant sexual slavery but that as another poster pointed out, prostitution isn't usually truly voluntary even if done with free will as it is done out of some level of desperation except in rare cases. "Everyone" knows it causes all sorts of emotional and physical trauma and drastically shortens a woman's life span.


I think that is largely a stereotype being repeated and isn't backed up by the facts. I will admit that it's been about 10 years since I've done much reading on the subject, but around that time I did a lot of research on prostitution in general, and especially in Asia after a friend introduced me to the book Pink Samurai by Nicholas Bornoff. I've watched a number of documentaries on the subject as well. While it's certainly true that prostitution does have a lot of bad things associated with it, and that human trafficking, literal slavery, and so on is often involved, it's also inaccurate to paint it with that wide of a brush. There are women (and men, though it is far more rare) who get into it because they enjoy it, and others have no moral hangups about it and they see it just like any other job. I think that many of us (mainly in the West) are brought up being taught that prostitutes are low-classed people, dirty, that only lowlifes visit prostitutes and so on (I know I was taught that), but cultural attitudes vary widely about that worldwide and not everyone shares our view. To quote Nick Tosches:
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Under the third precept of Buddhism, which demands abstinence from all sexual misconduct, 20 groups of women are listed as forbidden. Whores are not included among them.


This is just my opinion, but I'm agreement with you here. The social perception of adult sex workers thanks primarily to media representation and its criminalization is that any adult who gets into it is doing so out of desperation, poor moral upbringing, a traumatic childhood, or other external forces. Obviously sex work in the U.S. is a minefield; not all sex work is illegal (pornography, for instance) but much is and protections for sex workers suffer as a result.

Of the women I know who have entered sex work, they don't fit the media stereotype. Many are college graduates with Bachelors or even Masters degrees, they pay their own bills, and more importantly they enjoy their job. If they didn't, I'd support them leaving it but otherwise I don't see a problem with adults engaging in consensual adult behavior and if a transaction is taking place as part of it, things need to be safe for both parties like when dealing in any other service.
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Hiroki not Takuya



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I don't go off stereotypes and our church has a ministry outreach that is headed by a former prostitute who has helped many women get away from slavery, beatings, emotional abuse, etc. that are common features among prostitutes on the streets. I have talked to her myself so I'd rather you not assume I am ignorant.
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Hiroki not Takuya wrote:
I don't go off stereotypes and our church has a ministry outreach that is headed by a former prostitute who has helped many women get away from slavery, beatings, emotional abuse, etc. that are common features among prostitutes on the streets. I have talked to her myself so I'd rather you not assume I am ignorant.

lol you do look like you go off stereotypes in all your comments, though, and mentioning religion as your source of an opinion makes me second guess said comments of yours before.
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