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CoeLilium



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 10:13 am Reply with quote
I was happy when they announced the anime but it just... keep getting worse, it's incredibly frustrating (the costant moving of storylines etc did not help).

The manga's already discretely loose in historical details either for genuine ignorance or for dramatic effect and sometimes tackels the period's sexism with the grace of a sledgehammer (Darcia/Dacia's mini arc being one of those cases), but instead of trying to improve on it the anime goes and makes it worse at almost every turn :/
At least I'll become anime-only as soon as the story reaches Venice, hopefully not having the manga as comparison will make the episodes more pleasurable.

(resident Italian nitpick: I'd love to know who and why decided to spell "Lusanna" as "Ruthanna", a spelling that doesn't make any sense ever either in the period or in Italian. It really stands out because all the other characters names have impeccable spelling and good pronunciation...)

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the Venetian nobleman with the Russian first name and French last name


Nothing to say about the first name, but "Falier" isn't French. They're one of Venice oldest patrician houses and surnames, dating back to 1084 (and almost certainly even older).

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But if they were part of the dowry to be given or returned like furniture, that's a bit more like chattel slavery than I was expecting. Was that a thing in Renaissance Italy?


It was not, with the notable exception of Venice (while slavery in the Republic had been formally outlawed in 960 aC, the document outlawing it specified that *christians* couldn't be enslaved/sold so both the trade and the istitution managed to survive. Not in the form or numbers familiar to US history but that's hardly a compliment)
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Panino Manino



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 10:39 am Reply with quote
Gina Szanboti wrote:
So were all those servants part of the original dowry, or did she hire them after she got the money back? If they came with her, then her cries of poverty don't quite ring true. But if they were part of the dowry to be given or returned like furniture, that's a bit more like chattel slavery than I was expecting. Was that a thing in Renaissance Italy?
Princess_Irene wrote:
Gina Szanboti wrote:
Was that a thing in Renaissance Italy?


That's a good question that I don't fully know the answer to. There were slave traders active in the late middle ages/early Renaissance, primarily in Venice, I believe, so it may not be entirely out of the question. (If I had fewer research papers to grade, I'd do more digging!)


Servants as part of the dowry?
I don't remember this... I don't think that there were servants included.
About slaves in Venice, I remember from the manga that you can see slaves on the streets, but this manga isn't about about a historical period, it's about Arte. Just like the story don't stops to teaches us about Firenze don't expect Venice to be treated differently.

CoeLilium wrote:

(resident Italian nitpick: I'd love to know who and why decided to spell "Lusanna" as "Ruthanna", a spelling that doesn't make any sense ever either in the period or in Italian. It really stands out because all the other characters names have impeccable spelling and good pronunciation...)


"Ruthanna" is her name in the official english translation, it's a decision made by the original publisher.
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CoeLilium



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 11:01 am Reply with quote
Panino Manino wrote:

"Ruthanna" is her name in the official english translation, it's a decision made by the original publisher.


*sighs*
Thanks for answering.
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Princess_Irene



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 11:24 am Reply with quote
CoeLilium wrote:


Nothing to say about the first name, but "Falier" isn't French. They're one of Venice oldest patrician houses and surnames, dating back to 1084 (and almost certainly even older).


Thank you, I wasn't familiar with that spelling of it (I knew Falerio and Falerii, which a quick bit of research shows me are variants). My mistake. As for the first name, "Yuri" as a masculine name is Slavic (and sometimes spelled "Yuriy") and more or less equates to "George."

Yes, the Ruthanna thing is really annoying.
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Gina Szanboti



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 4:16 pm Reply with quote
Panino Manino wrote:
Servants as part of the dowry?
I don't remember this... I don't think that there were servants included.

When she left she left in a horse drawn cart with all her recovered stuff loaded on top and four other people inside. They appeared to me to be with her (so presumably her servants), rather than just random people traveling to the same destination. If they didn't come with her, but were "returned" to her, then that's my problem with it.

As I understand it dowries weren't just bags of money and/or jewels, but lots of "stuff." If that's correct, then returning her dowry would mean returning that stuff, which is what I thought the loaded up cart was indicating, since that was the image on screen when she said she got it back.

I assumed she hired the cart to go home, rather than it being some regular bus service. But if the others were just random strangers sharing a cab home, and half the stuff was their luggage, then never mind. Smile
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Yuvelir



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 5:49 pm Reply with quote
Maybe she just hired them to help. Or someone else is doing her a favor.
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Panino Manino



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 10:27 pm Reply with quote
Gina Szanboti wrote:
Panino Manino wrote:
Servants as part of the dowry?
I don't remember this... I don't think that there were servants included.

When she left she left in a horse drawn cart with all her recovered stuff loaded on top and four other people inside. They appeared to me to be with her (so presumably her servants), rather than just random people traveling to the same destination. If they didn't come with her, but were "returned" to her, then that's my problem with it.

As I understand it dowries weren't just bags of money and/or jewels, but lots of "stuff." If that's correct, then returning her dowry would mean returning that stuff, which is what I thought the loaded up cart was indicating, since that was the image on screen when she said she got it back.

I assumed she hired the cart to go home, rather than it being some regular bus service. But if the others were just random strangers sharing a cab home, and half the stuff was their luggage, then never mind. Smile


It's a bus service.
That cart travels between cites. Because the art and animation isn't all that well made in the anime a lot of details like this end being confusing. I checked the manga and even without any explanation it's much more clear by the drawings that those people aren't "with her". It's just a service she is using to go back to Siena.
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Yuvelir



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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2020 6:28 pm Reply with quote
Katarina needs to trip and hit her head very hard.

That stuff at the beginning was annoying again. If you arne't going to bother properly introducing a character, don't go showing her around as if she were a fully established one that the audience knows well.
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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 9:29 am Reply with quote
I found it ridiculous that she would travel from Florence to Venice by ship. It makes no sense geographically.

Either the manga-ka or anime writers never looked at a map, or they decided they could enhance the annoyingly ditzy image that Arte sometimes has in this show if she fell into the Mediterranean Sea.
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Panino Manino



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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 10:45 am Reply with quote
yuna49 wrote:
I found it ridiculous that she would travel from Florence to Venice by ship. It makes no sense geographically.


They went east to get a ship, because it's faster and safer.
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Yuvelir



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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 11:46 am Reply with quote
yuna49 wrote:
I found it ridiculous that she would travel from Florence to Venice by ship. It makes no sense geographically.

Either the manga-ka or anime writers never looked at a map, or they decided they could enhance the annoyingly ditzy image that Arte sometimes has in this show if she fell into the Mediterranean Sea.

I thought so at first but then I looked at the map and it made sense. Travel by sea was just faster and safer.
Travel and caravan routes at those (and older) times could get pretty crazy in their detours.
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Panino Manino



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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 5:08 pm Reply with quote
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Now people understands why I criticized this adaptation so much?
Cutting Dacia introduction last episode was unforgivable and made me thing, "Arte animes does not passes the Bechdel Test", right?
Says a lot that the producers decided to cut all story lines and scenes of the women in this story talking and doing their own thing and letting in only those that include or are about the men.

It's very annoying how the anime cut the important things while keeps other irrelevant things that would be better cutting, like Arte falling in the sea.

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The Venice chapter of the story is setting up to be interesting in several ways. Not the least of those is the fact that as a city, Venice is fascinating, and as a seaport, it's in a position to be a much more international place than Florence, whose closest seaport is Livorno, about fifty-six miles to the west of the city.


Don't you count on that.
Arte is about the titular character, not about the time and place she lives.
The manga doesn't stop to give you "historical porn", and the anime is clearly much less interested. I noticed that the anime omitted a few of Yuri's scenes when he talks more in depth about his business, the city and international relationships.
For example, he talks about Venice is not just a place of "seafarers", also about how they are pirates and make fortunes in the slave trade. When she arrives Arte sees some chained slaves. In his house when showing his collection over a map he cites the "Land of the Ming" and the Ottomans.
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Gina Szanboti



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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 10:03 pm Reply with quote
Yuvelir wrote:
Katarina needs to trip and hit her head very hard.

I got that reference! Wink

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when you get done wondering how that top stays up

I was more wondering how she kept the hair covering on. It seems designed for hair that's never or rarely been cut, and pins or clips can only do so much work against the weight of that much fabric when there's only a couple inches of hair to anchor it. Btw, does that thing have a name?
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Princess_Irene



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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:26 am Reply with quote
Gina Szanboti wrote:
Btw, does that thing have a name?


It looks like a modified trinzale to me - more typically those cover the back of the head, too, but they're meant to drape over hair in one long braid, like Arte used to wear when she had long hair. (The ribbon/cord hairstyle she wore then was called a coazzone, as long as I'm doing this. Very Happy )
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ErikaD.D



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:31 pm Reply with quote
Another 12 episodes-and-done anime with series finale, but the manga version still continued I think. These days, most season one and 12-13 episode animes are one-and-done , and that's pathetic.
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