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BadNewsBlues



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:27 pm Reply with quote
SilvaStreamer wrote:
I don't support leaks of any sort but I feel that they had it coming for them. Delaying the game 3 times is not a good excuse. They were being perfectionists and wanting to get GOTY again by not releasing the game at a promised date.


I mean given how games that do come out on their announced release date often have serious issues it’s not so much as wanting to be perfectionists but wanting to release a game that won’t have serious gameplay or audio issues that will make it unplayable during launch.

getumbuck wrote:

Amy Henning is a legend, when it comes to writing amazing video game stories. I will always respect the lady who gave us the Legacy of Kain series.


Same lady also gave us the story of Uncharted 3 which was the worst in the series. And also apparently was the artist/designer on Micheal Jordan Chaos In The Windy City!?
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Beatdigga



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:48 pm Reply with quote
Yeah but Windy City was decades ago. That being said her original proposal for the gameplay of Uncharted 4 (no guns) sounded awful.

Also, WWE Nendoroids? I’m sure wrestling fans would be all over them.
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Greed1914



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 1:59 pm Reply with quote
And now Sony has announced that they tracked down the source of the leaks, and it was people outside of Naughty Dog and Sony. So, possibly hackers who probably had an easier time right now with Naughty Dog working from home and security not being as tight as it would be if material wasn't leaving the building.

I suppose, if we're wanting to get conspiratorial, it could be claimed that Sony is pointing to outside sources to downplay the situation at Naughty Dog. But, personally, I think oustiders seems more likely. Like I said in my prior post, it's hard to see where damaging sales of the game and being sued would have helped an employee or their coworkers.
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AiddonValentine



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 4:30 pm Reply with quote
Greed1914 wrote:
And now Sony has announced that they tracked down the source of the leaks, and it was people outside of Naughty Dog and Sony. So, possibly hackers who probably had an easier time right now with Naughty Dog working from home and security not being as tight as it would be if material wasn't leaving the building.

I suppose, if we're wanting to get conspiratorial, it could be claimed that Sony is pointing to outside sources to downplay the situation at Naughty Dog. But, personally, I think oustiders seems more likely. Like I said in my prior post, it's hard to see where damaging sales of the game and being sued would have helped an employee or their coworkers.


Yeah, it seems like it was just some jerk stealing info and posting it because that what jerks do.
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 6:42 pm Reply with quote
BadNewsBlues wrote:
Same lady also gave us the story of Uncharted 3 which was the worst in the series. And also apparently was the artist/designer on Micheal Jordan Chaos In The Windy City!?


I'd say 3 is better than 1 or 4. 1 for being the first and unpolished compared to the sequels, and 4 for being so different and more.. 'modern cinematic experience' than the original trilogy was.


Greed1914 wrote:

And now Sony has announced that they tracked down the source of the leaks, and it was people outside of Naughty Dog and Sony. So, possibly hackers who probably had an easier time right now with Naughty Dog working from home and security not being as tight as it would be if material wasn't leaving the building.


To be fair, their wording doesn't rule out it being a former employee, who would no longer be affiliated with either company. Or a contract/freelancer who was working with them but not technically an employee. Assuming we take them at their word, of course. Being hacked by an outside isn't a good look either. Nor does it mean Naughty Dig isn't still an abusive, horrible company with sexual harassment and overtime problems.

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Like I said in my prior post, it's hard to see where damaging sales of the game and being sued would have helped an employee or their coworkers.


I doubt this will hurt sales more than in the thousands range, but the going idea seems to be to force them to release the game and thereby the employees being able to get their paychecks which were being held until the game was released.
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BadNewsBlues



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El Hermano wrote:


I'd say 3 is better than 1 or 4. 1 for being the first and unpolished compared to the sequels, and 4 for being so different and more.. 'modern cinematic experience' than the original trilogy was.


I mean if you ignore certain elements of 3’s story like the Cruise Ship section which takes up about seemingly an assload of chapters and which involves Nathan chasing another group of villains for a completely stupid reason, them copying the first game’s gimmick of the Villian’s right hand immediately replacing them after their death, the entire flashback revolving around how Nathan and Sully met being borderline retroactively retconned by 4’s flashback, Charlie and Chloe being written out for whatever reason etc story is passable but definitely not better than either 1 or 4.
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Cecilthedarkknight_234



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I've seen the leaks and the meme's being made. Honestly it saves me 60$ aye.. spoiler[Hell the deaths reach gore porn levels of brutality and normally that doesn't bother me. However it's they way handled said character deaths..]
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whiskeyii



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I’m on the opposite end of the spoiler[violence] spectrum; TLoU1 was about as far as I’m willing to go with spoiler[gore], so hearing that TLoU2 spoiler[cranks it up even further] tells me that this probably isn’t for me. Originally I thought my biggest hurdle would be dealing with a possible rape scene based on the trailers, but I’m thinking overall this game won’t be for me on a thematic level, even if we weren’t all stuck dealing with a global pandemic. I am, however, very morbidly curious to see if audiences still want this *kind* of game, considering the already-grim state of the world.
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Zendervai



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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 2:20 pm Reply with quote
DavetheUsher wrote:
But in the realm of video games you get weird clauses like games having to reach certain Metacritic review score averages, which is completely arbitrary and completely in the hands of random people at hundreds of online outlets rather than the people who actually worked on the game itself. Some angry dude at some random website having a bad day getting mad at your game can cost you a bonus which seems pretty silly. The video game industry is just weird and a lot younger than other business models.


Hell, this is what nearly killed Obsidian. Fallout New Vegas had a clause where the bonuses would only be paid out if the game got a metacritic rating of 80 or above. The game got 79, with the main complaint pushing the scores down being how glitchy the game was. Here's the thing that'll really annoy you though. The contract specifically stated that Obsidian wasn't responsible for QA, Bethesda would be doing it themselves. And as you can probably guess, Bethesda half-assed it, barely put any effort into QA and refused to comment when it was brought up.

If the bonus is based on actual sales numbers, I could understand that even if I don't quite agree with it, but review scores is a terrible metric.
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Covnam



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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 8:06 pm Reply with quote
I enjoyed the review on Sakura Wars Heidi, great to see it turn out well.
I've still got the previous game (So Long, My Love) in my backlog though... Anyone have any thoughts on whether or not it's still worth playing first (ps2 era graphics aside)?
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 8:56 pm Reply with quote
El Hermano wrote:

I doubt this will hurt sales more than in the thousands range, but the going idea seems to be to force them to release the game and thereby the employees being able to get their paychecks which were being held until the game was released.


Not the paycheck, it is the bonus. It is against the law to withhold paychecks. Supposedly the bonuses are dependent on how well the game does.

Being forced to release the game early, because the entire plot and levels of the game have been spoiled is not good. It throws their marketing all to hell. Sure many people will buy it spoiled or not because it is The Last of Us. But what happens if the game does not perform financially to expectations or requirements. Then you have spent all that extra labor and time for nothing. For many workers, the extra time part hurts the most.

If it is a great game, then only time will tell if the early release and massive spoilers will have any effect on the bottom line and the bonuses.
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ChimeyChime



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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 9:22 pm Reply with quote
Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:
I've seen the leaks and the meme's being made. Honestly it saves me 60$ aye.. spoiler[Hell the deaths reach gore porn levels of brutality and normally that doesn't bother me. However it's they way handled said character deaths..]


Yeah, same here. The leaks saved me a lot of money. I'm gonna pretend last of us 2 doesn't exist. They really did a disservice to my favorite characters.
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