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If this was his goal all along then it finally fully explains why he smiled when Subaru unexpectedly appeared during the succession ceremony. Or maybe it was Subaru's appearance at that time which gave him the idea to pursue this path? He had to have known that Emilia was easily the most emotionally fragile of the contenders and so would need a big push. |
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ThatGuyWhoLikesThings
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This is definitely a plan he's had in mind for a good while. This was cut from the anime, but in the corresponding volume where the events of episode 12 of S1 take place, it's revealed that spoiler[Roswaal specifically ordered Rem to let Subaru go to the ceremony if he wanted to, so he wanted him to be there]. And in episode 8 of the same season, when he's about to leave the mansion to go on some business, he whispers to Subaru something to the effect of "I'm counting on you to take care of Emilia-sama". He's been been nurturing this dynamic between the two for some time. |
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OrdepNM
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I think, going forward, people need to make a mental note that Roswaal has the power of reading ahead on the plot and he has had that for a long time. That smile could just as easily be a "aaand there he is, right on time, man I sure love that book" kind of smile. |
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Probablytomorrow
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Completely confusing, in my case. I spent the entire rest of the episode utterly confused about why Subaru and Roswaal were treating Satella as if she were Emilia. |
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ThatGuyWhoLikesThings
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I'm pretty certain they were just meant to be symbolic of how her mental state had deteriorated so much that her personality had become Satella-like. Overly clingy, affectionate, and hyperfocused on Subaru and Subaru alone. It wasn't meant to be taken so literally I think. |
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Hiroki not Takuya
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Spent much of the latest Ep a little confused, but I remember a tidbit from S1 that Roswaal confided to Ram that his goal was to "kill the dragon" that was supposed to be behind the royal succession. He says here cryptically that backing Emilia and everything he does is to further his goal, but I can't imagine how all this would impact the "dragon". Seems the story has all but forgotten about all the mysteries about the royal family disappearing (being cursed?) said dragon and the succession candidates.
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Iron Maw
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This doesn't have anything to do with impacting he dragon itself at least not directly, its all just a stepping stone to that goal. The fact Roswaal is making such a calculation means the Emilia's well being isn't necessary for him to get her on throne, she just needs to be alive and lucid enough. Also it would be weird to think that the show has forgotten about royal selection when this incident is part of that. Roswaal himself afterall implied to Emilia that liberating the Sanctuary would get mixed bloods living there in her debt & their support in selection. It also raise her profile among Arlam villagers who would give their support. Even the villagers assumed she was doing for selection at first. Re:Zero is a grand narrative with a lot of small moving part that drive it, beside the royal selection is to last for 3 years (to be fair that was left out of the anime) & its barely started a month ago. All stuff dealing the dragon itself and mystery behind the late royal family's deaths would naturally come later. But this is a arc for Emilia & the Emilia Camp to start coming into their own that begins by dealing with current problems here.. |
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Hiroki not Takuya
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^^ Well, this is the first time in a long while where there was even a substantial hint or mention of the selection other than Ep28 this season. Ep13 S1 was the last full episode devoted to it and that was in 2016. Toward the end of S1 mention or stray comments about it were "sprinkled around" so viewers knew it was still a factor to the story but that's about all. The focus was the White Whale Hunt, the Witch Cult Battles and now there is a new thrust to save the Sanctuary and Mansion from another Witch Cult (or Cult 2.0?).
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andramus
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The passage of time is a bit tricky with this series since you're actually dealing with three separate timelines. There is the amount of time that has passed for us viewers since starting this series. Then there is the in world objective time that passes and finally Subaru's subjective time. According to the novels the point in time where Subaru and Emilia leave Crusch to return to Roswaal's mansion is about 2 months in objective time from when Subaru arrived in that world. Basically for everyone except Subaru he's been there for about eight and a half to nine weeks. By the time Subaru arrives at the Sanctuary with Emilia it's only been around another three days. So whilst for us viewers it's been years for Subaru and co. it's only been about nine weeks. For Subaru before the Sanctuary arc began he reckons he's experienced about four months of subjective time. Consider another anime like My Hero Academia that's also been going for years. For the characters in that series they're still in their first year at UA. Even though it's been years for we viewers it's only been months for the characters. Even in the novels the whole royal selection process is pretty vague. There was a cut line of dialogue from a few episodes back where I think Ram mentions that the process will take 3 years. In the novels there is a bit of exposition referring to a magical tablet (stone not an ipad) that has the instructions for the royal selection process. Apparently the process is carried out in phases and the instructions on the tablet change as each phase is completed. The first phase was finding the five candidates. Felt was the last one to be found pretty much by accident when Reinhard noticed the insignia in her hand glowing. |
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Iron Maw
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I mean if we are going by your logic, the cult itself in this arc has only been mentioned a brief handful of times & no member of the group has appeared at all so there little reason to bring them up outside the gospels. If I were to be more charitable to your viewpoint I could point to fact the cult plays some direct responsibility in current situation in Arc 4 because their attack on Roswaal domain forced one half of the Arlam villagers to evacuate here which ended up them being held hostage. But that would leave the question of why did the cult attack & why did happened in the 3rd arc (12-25) & not before? Because Emilia revealed herself as royal selection candidate during the ceremony exposing her to the nation & naturally the cult who worships Satella while persecuting half elves. Look at that, there is the connection! Do you see how these things are interrelated & can't be decoupled from each other? This current situation could literally not happen with Emilia being a candidate. Moreover two tthreads from first arcs have reappear here despite not being mentioned since they left, Elsa who stole Emilia's proof of candidacy in Arc 1 & Meili an assassin who was mastermind behind the mabeast attack in Arc 2. The story didn't have to keep bringing up them or dive immediately in their circumstances to remind you of the significance of their relation to the story. Moreover If the author still saw fit bring them back there no reason to think he's dropped more important plot points. Its same thing with White Whale & Witch Cult in Arc 3. Both were related to royal selection & each other. The Whale itself impeded Subaru's attempts to get back to Roswaal domain in time to stop the cult from carrying out their ordeal against Emilia, forcing him to seek and an alliance with the Crusch & Anastasia two royal candidates who are competing with Emilia which he acted as a representative for. Crusch agree because she hunting the whale herself partially as PR boost for the selection. During that we learn the Whale is aligned with cult because it was under the control of one the Sin Archbishops was being used to cover the cult's attack on Roswaal's territory. Without Whale presence Subaru no angle to get the manpower need to fight both it & the cult. You see nothing isolated in Re:Zero's story. The royal selection itself has already established as being related not just situation in the sanctuary, but that of Roswaal goals. Its partially the reason for Subaru & Emilia needing to lift the barrier, it just that there many obstacle getting their way, Emilia's own benefactor one of them. These aren't sprinkles, their directly related to Royal Selection, and word not being mentioned enough isn't substantive argument against it. Like there a lot of characters with their own agenda in Subaru & Emilia's story, but all those elements are intertwined with it. They are the gears that help move it. Last edited by Iron Maw on Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:44 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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bhl88
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Any connection at all with Satella (400 year calamity) and Beatrice (left for 400 years)?
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OrdepNM
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Some additional trivia about the episode to anyone interested:
-Frederica characterization continues to be the biggest victim of this adaptation. She already had quite a bit of it cut in episode 2 and now she was written off from the script completely. In the books, Subaru has the chance to talk to her before they leave and the conversation turns to her leaving the Sanctuary. Despite what Garfiel thinks, it wasn't so much "Oh I can leave? Well, later loser!" but rather, she's been earning money and using it to build a support network for the the people of the Sanctuary, in antecipation of it being freed one day, to give the people who want to move into the outside world abit of a stepping stone. - I've seen alot of people thinking that Beako's "that person" is supposed to come put her out of her misery. That is wrong. Echidna tasked Beatrice with guarding her library and waiting for "that person" to arrive so she can turn over ownership of the library to "that person". When the time comes Beatrice will know. Over the centuries many people did come into the library, but they wanted the knowledge contained in the books or to contract Beatrice as a spirit, so she shooed them away. Now that Meili is introduced, looking back to S1, it's clear that both the first and second arcs of the story were assassination attempts by this duo. Elsa failed to get the job done at the loot cellar, so Meili took her stab at it. In the web novel version of the story, Subaru loses his eye much sooner, during the loop where Garfiel kidnaps him. In that case, it's Garfiel who hits him and breaks his skull after he loses his temper and tries to attack Roswaal. Garf can heal the skull but the eye his gone. In the anime, Subaru heads into the tomb in order to meet with Echidna and ask for guidance but in the books, Garfiel finds him as he arrives in town and forces him into the tomb to drag Emilia out. This is a rare instance where the anime contradicts the novel. In fact, some of the lines Garfiel has as Subaru heads out of the tomb are stuff Garfiel said before he heads inside (like asking where he left his eye at). During the scene where Garfiel is in between transforming and healing Ram, he's actually trying to hold back transformation. He can save himself by transforming as the process patches up his wounds (the same happened with Frederica when she transformed, you will recall), but in that form he can't use healing magic, so he's prioritizing saving Ram over saving himself. That's also part of the 'cover' Ram provided that allowed Roswaal to dispatch Garfiel. If you go back to isekai quartet, you can actually see Roswaal checking a black book every so often, including in the second season announcement. Clearly the book of knowledge even works in alternate universes. Subaru makes it into the tomb by commanding the Ryuzu replicas to protect them and sacrife themselves until he arrives there. On the way there, he sees the cathedral caught fire and surmises that the people inside chose to set in on fire rather than getting eaten by the rabbits. As harrowing as the last scene was, in the books, it's implied that by the time Emilia kisses him and he dies, the rabbits have already caught up and have started munching on what little is left of him.
Echidna was killed (supposedly by Satella tough it's a bit murky) 400 years ago. Beatrice was contracted by Echidna to watch over her library of Forbidden knowledge after she was gone. 400 years ago Stella's rampage also came to an end when she was sealed by the dragon, the sage and the sword Saint, where she remains to this day. Do bear in mind that 400 is a ballpark and everything related to Satella is inherently murky to begin with. The only part of what I said that's fact is the pact between Beatrice and Echidna, since that comes from direct sources (Beatrice herself). For example, according to the author the in world history books have all but forgotten about the witches other than Satella. |
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ThatGuyWhoLikesThings
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There's a scene later on where the anime might be able to include that information. I think they might've cut that here for the sake of urgency. Subaru knows that Elsa makes her move as soon as he arrives at the mansion, so it makes more sense to meet with Beatrice as soon as he can rather than stopping for a chat with Frederica. |
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Wow, this show is really pulling out all the torture porn stops (emotional and physical), isn't it? Most stories, if they put the protagonist through the wringer, the point is to eventually arrive at a place of catharsis where all that suffering achieves something good (unless, of course, the story is nihilistic). And I know that Subaru will eventually get his num-nums, but at this point, I have to assume the creator's main purpose was just to sadistically enjoy Subaru's punishment.
Also, if I was speculating, I would guess that everything we've been seeing for a number of episodes hasn't been real... that these events are all taking place within the context of the trial that Subaru is taking in Emilia's place... just like his visit with his parents wasn't real. However, none of the people who are familiar with the source material (which I am not) seem to be hinting at this, so I guess that's wrong. |
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OrdepNM
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I mean, this isn't an issue the source material particularly struggled with, just send Petra away to call Patrasche over and have the conversation while they wait. The actual reason why they cut it is because they were adapting 2 whole chapters in 1 episode and something had to give. Plus judging by the PV for this week's episode, it seems they're set on finishing volume 13 and adapting chapter 1 of volume 14 next week to close out the cour so yeah, at that point cuts are unavoidable. And I mean, I admit it's not the most important piece of information by any stretch so I get why it was cut, but it does suck a bit that what little characterization Frederica has is getting invariably getting caught by the adaptation trimming. |
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