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all-tsun-and-no-dere
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Joined: 06 Jul 2015
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 Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:13 pm
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| DarkAudit wrote: | | Not knowing anything about baseball is bad enough. Getting the entire backstory wrong is unforgivable. Yomi and Tamaki separated in grade school. The catcher who couldn't catch in middle school was someone else entirely. The two main characters didn't meet again until high school.
They revisited that reunion and the return of THAT pitch often. How could you have missed all that? |
Exactly! I disagree with a lot of things about the review, but I can't even fathom allowing a review to be posted with factual errors about the storyline. This is SLOPPY, SLOPPY work, ANN! If you are going to pan a series, at least watch it with enough diligence to actually understand the basics of the story. If you didn't understand the ACTUAL basis of the TWO MAIN CHARACTERS' backstories, I can't really give any weight to this review at all. |
I do want to apologize for the inaccuracies. I have memory loss due to ADHD that can make it hard for me to remember all the details of a story by the time I sit down at the keyboard to type it up. Despite the publication date, this was one of the first reviews I wrote for ANN, so I hadn't developed the techniques I now use to keep better track of the plot points.
However, I stand by the opinions expressed in this review. It's not a matter of "not appreciating subtle characterization"; while many of my favorite series do feature larger-than-life personalities, others have wonderfully subtle characterization. These girls aren't subtle; they're boring. They are unflavored tofu. They are unseasoned chicken. Maybe if they were more engaging, I would have remembered the plot details better.
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:19 pm
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I was also one of those fans who thought this was going to be a yuri baseball anime and was disappointed to find out it wasn’t. Even as someone who likes a lot of fluffy CGDCT shows and someone who somewhat enjoys sports anime even though I don’t care for it in real life, I agree with the review that it was very lacking in substance. There was some potential with the lead girls but it didn’t ever really engage me any and it all felt kind of cliche and the poor animation didn’t help matters either. Really just watch Princess Nine instead. The show would have been a lot more interesting if it was an actual yuri baseball anime.
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zensunni
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:49 pm
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| all-tsun-and-no-dere wrote: |
| zensunni wrote: |
| DarkAudit wrote: | | Not knowing anything about baseball is bad enough. Getting the entire backstory wrong is unforgivable. Yomi and Tamaki separated in grade school. The catcher who couldn't catch in middle school was someone else entirely. The two main characters didn't meet again until high school.
They revisited that reunion and the return of THAT pitch often. How could you have missed all that? |
Exactly! I disagree with a lot of things about the review, but I can't even fathom allowing a review to be posted with factual errors about the storyline. This is SLOPPY, SLOPPY work, ANN! If you are going to pan a series, at least watch it with enough diligence to actually understand the basics of the story. If you didn't understand the ACTUAL basis of the TWO MAIN CHARACTERS' backstories, I can't really give any weight to this review at all. |
I do want to apologize for the inaccuracies. I have memory loss due to ADHD that can make it hard for me to remember all the details of a story by the time I sit down at the keyboard to type it up. Despite the publication date, this was one of the first reviews I wrote for ANN, so I hadn't developed the techniques I now use to keep better track of the plot points.
However, I stand by the opinions expressed in this review. It's not a matter of "not appreciating subtle characterization"; while many of my favorite series do feature larger-than-life personalities, others have wonderfully subtle characterization. These girls aren't subtle; they're boring. They are unflavored tofu. They are unseasoned chicken. Maybe if they were more engaging, I would have remembered the plot details better. |
While I appreciate the difficulties of ADHD but that is no excuse for the editorial staff not fact checking the review enough to catch egregious errors. Perhaps part of the problem is the distinction between SHOUNEN sports anime and manga and SEINEN sports anime and manga. Tamayomi is adapted from a SEINEN manga, which is aimed at a more mature reading audience. I think a lot of people automatically think "sports anime = Shounen" and when the character development and plot pacing are done more like a Seinen it causes dissonance and they think it's too slow. The fact that you didn't seem to recognize that Nozomi had as much character development as Yoshino suggests that you weren't really watching the same show I was watching. She went from not wanting to be at the school, let alone on the team, to pushing too hard and failing because of it, only overcoming that with Yoshino's help. Then she was the one who helped Yoshino when she was losing confidence and admitted that she loved the school now, as well as Yoshino herself. All while being a quiet, nice girl.
Also, karuta is a pofessional sport in Japan. We don't just pretend it's a sport for the manga and anime. The matches are broadcast on television, there is prize money for the winners, and, as the anime shows, it is a physically demanding.
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zensunni
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:54 am
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| Cardcaptor Takato wrote: | | I was also one of those fans who thought this was going to be a yuri baseball anime and was disappointed to find out it wasn’t. Even as someone who likes a lot of fluffy CGDCT shows and someone who somewhat enjoys sports anime even though I don’t care for it in real life, I agree with the review that it was very lacking in substance. There was some potential with the lead girls but it didn’t ever really engage me any and it all felt kind of cliche and the poor animation didn’t help matters either. Really just watch Princess Nine instead. The show would have been a lot more interesting if it was an actual yuri baseball anime. |
So I guess you missed the relationship between Nozomi and Yoshino entirely? You'll notice that the manga isn't billed as a romance at all, unlike many of the shounen sports manga or some of the other seinen sports manga. It's billed as "seinen, school life, sports". So it isn't surprising that any romance aspects of the storyline are totally tangential to the main story and not explicitly stated. Still, a love confession right before hitting a three run home run is pretty strong yuri for a story that isn't a romance.
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nDroae
Joined: 26 May 2017
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:44 pm
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To me this was one of the more enjoyable Kirara adaptations of recent years. It's interesting to see baseball fans approve its depiction of the sport. My own exposure to baseball doesn't extend much beyond a dozen childhood viewings of Angels in the Outfield and a more recent watch of Taisho Baseball Girls, which I afterward bought on BD. The baseball fans I watched Tamayomi with didn't like it, and the series ended with this heated exchange (names changed):
| Quote: | | Paul: if it can get me even a little bit interested in a stupid boring sport like baseball, it's a damn good sports anime in my eyes
Craig: You're not even interested in baseball with this show.
Paul: I am though
Craig: You're interested in camera angles of a sport the author thinks is baseball. But is as close to actual baseball as the sport of Cricket.
Bill: Paul watch cinderella nine and taisho baseball girls now
Paul: maybe real baseball should be more like this, maybe it wouldn't be as ****ing boring then |
Later, nDroae: "Tamayomi final episode drama was IN THE CHAT" (Running gag is that slice of life / moe girl shows often awkwardly force in some kind of unnecessary drama near the end)
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