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ThatGuyWhoLikesThings



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:05 pm Reply with quote
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Ugh, I just wish media would stop claiming characters have “split personality disorder.” There is no such thing, and the association with Dissociative Identity Disorder reinforces negative, false stereotypes and assumptions that very real people with that disorder, who are survivors of early childhood trauma have to live with.


I don't know if the show is saying Yuka does have a split personality, Nana certainly isn't enough a medical expert to say that for certain, but the way she acts is definitely reminiscent of it. With Shinji being a dead corpse that is being reanimated entirely by her, every interaction between the two of them is essentially just her talking with herself. That plus her rather sudden changes in mood and you'd be forgiven thinking she does in fact have DID.

As for the usage of "split personality disorder" as an actual term, that might be the fault of the anime's subs. For the record, Crunchyroll's translation of the manga says "It's like she has multiple personalities." It's not really trying to name any specific illness there.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:31 pm Reply with quote
Without getting into the weeds with it, I wouldn't say the necromancer has DID. The most I'd be willing to throw is that she seems to be using her necromancy as something of a coping mechanism. She plays the role of her dead friend and interacts with herself as though it isn't a puppet/puppeteer relationship at times, but that's a little different from DID. DID tends to be more involuntary in nature. She's not really being possessed by a different personality so much as she's putting on a private performance. And sometimes she seems to fall for her own performance because this is the guy she liked and she can get wrapped up in her affection for him.

It's splitting a lot of hairs, and there's an argument worth making for DID, but I'd need more symptoms. DID is more specific, and right now all I get is that something is up, but I'd hesitate to throw a diagnosis at it. If that makes sense.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:11 am Reply with quote
Yuka does *not* have DID. I’m a mental health peer specialist, I know people with DID. And as the article I posted explained, DID and other terms associated with it, including “Split Personalities”, “multiple personalities” etc, are often used in media to describe “crazy” villains and give the story an air of “real” psychology—and they are always inaccurate psychobabble based on negative stereotypes. It adds to misinformation of an already poorly understood and poorly represented mental health condition. It adds to the stigma of vulnerable people.

I would have preferred it if they had just described Yuka as somewhat delusional. stilldemented is right; Yuka is controlling her dead friend like a puppet and may be tricking herself into thinking he’s still alive some of the time. It’s not a separate personality from within her mind, It’s not “multiple personalities” or DID.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:54 am Reply with quote
Man, the twists in this show are weak as hell. These characters are too willing to blab the details of their powers, and the shed door trick was dumb(I doubt a door with a single hinge taped on would stay and not just fall off). They both turn out to be scumbags, but Nana uses her MC power to talk down to Yuka as if she's somehow morally superior. Confused
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ThatGuyWhoLikesThings



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:54 am Reply with quote
Gem-Bug wrote:
These characters are too willing to blab the details of their powers


They're very arrogant, and for good reason. Not only do their abilities make them feel special, but they've also been trained and highly regarded as future "saviors of humanity". And in Yuka's case, it didn't actually matter. Nana had basically figured it out already anyway, and Yuka was also misdirecting her at the same time, she wasn't just openly telling her how to win


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and the shed door trick was dumb(I doubt a door with a single hinge taped on would stay and not just fall off).


It depends on how sturdy the door is and how strong the tape is, but it's very much possible that it could stay in place. We aren't told those specifics, which is good, because the more details there are the easier it is to nitpick them (which doesn't exactly stop people from doing it anyway, but w/e). Besides, it only needed to stay in place for the brief time Yuka confronted Nana at the cottage. Once she left and Nana went out the door, she'd put the nails back in place.

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They both turn out to be scumbags, but Nana uses her MC power to talk down to Yuka as if she's somehow morally superior. Confused


She...kind of is actually lol. Nana's actions are certainly awful but she at least as the excuse of believing that what she's doing is noble and for the good of humanity, and we do see very brief but noteworthy snippets of genuine compassion here and there from her. Yuka set fire to an entire theater, killing her crush and no doubt even more people in the process, solely to possess him and satisfy her own twisted, purely selfish desires, and states flat-out that she doesn't care about anything aside from her (fake) relationship with Shinji. To say she's wretched is an understatement and probably Nana's first truly justified kill.
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Cryten



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:52 pm Reply with quote
About the only door that could be held up by the strongest of tapes would be a screen door. The problem is just the way it works is the worst for tape, putting all stress on the adhesive and not using the tape. Like trying to sticky tape a weight to a wall only worse because youve added rotational changes to remove contact with the surface. And the tape wouldnt be good at stopping the door from sheering off its pin holders.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:58 pm Reply with quote
The tape wasn't holding the door in place, but the lock system outside. Still dubious that a piece of tape would survive the weight of an iron piece and the lock system being put in place without budging, but it isn't completely implausible. They just had one hell of a strong tape abandoned at a random shed in the mountains. Plus a screwdriver we didn't get to see? Because I doubt you could quickly unscrew a lock in a hurry just with a hammer.
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Cryten



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:59 pm Reply with quote
Ahh I see. Well there goes that piece of imagined episode. Smile
*edit* Why does the ANN smile face look so evil?
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blahmoomoo



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:53 pm Reply with quote
I think Funimation mistranslated something, because I do remember the subtitles saying she took the hinges off. Then it showed she was messing with the lock instead. So that's probably why you're confused.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:57 pm Reply with quote
I think this was a pretty entertaining arc, but I'm somewhat dissatisfied by the conclusion. Making it so that Yuka was actually just a stalker feels like a weird decision on the writer's part. I dunno, having a character use their superpowers as an unhealthy coping mechanism for their grief is really sad and a way, way more compelling vice when said character isn't a creep.

Instead, because she is, it makes me ask questions I shouldn't want to ask, like why Nana shows hesitation to kill now after she's already murdered explicitly good people. She confirms that her suspicion about Yuka is right before finishing her off when she had no reason to do that, and it just doesn't make alot of sense.

If Nana had just murdered someone I could feel sympathetic for, it would have left a stronger impression on me. Instead with the way Yuka's character went I just feel apathetic and it's kind of a boring end to an arc that I think could have been the best so far.
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ThatGuyWhoLikesThings



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:57 pm Reply with quote
Kelohmello wrote:
Instead, because she is, it makes me ask questions I shouldn't want to ask, like why Nana shows hesitation to kill now after she's already murdered explicitly good people. She confirms that her suspicion about Yuka is right before finishing her off when she had no reason to do that, and it just doesn't make alot of sense.


The only unambiguously good person she's killed before this point was Nanao, and that was the only kill where we never saw her inner thoughts at all. For all we know, she might have had second thoughts or at the very least lamented the fact that she felt like she had to kill him, but we don't know and probably won't know until she starts having doubts about her mission overall, if and when that happens. And we also see that she keeps putting off killing Michiru when she really doesn't have much reason to anymore. I think the fact that she's even entertaining the thought of truly sparing someone implies that her continued murders are starting to weigh on her, even if she may not realize it yet.
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Cryten



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:10 pm Reply with quote
To be fair the time travelling dude was nothing short of helpful and she showed no hestiatation in trying to kill kyouya. She has until now shown a mentality that put success at killing everyone ahead of individual merit. She looked down on anyone as a monster.

I think its a fair question on why giving leeway now against someone who finally fits her mental image of a enemy of humanity as opposed to the innocent or the fatalistic. Personally I would say the show is trying to give her the moral high ground she was lacking before. So Im curious if the trend will continue. From the opposite point of view of the reviewer who loves how effective the cruel nana can be. I watch to see if the story will try and remove the cruelty of the character tempered to the self interest of something closer to Lelouch.
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ThatGuyWhoLikesThings



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:56 pm Reply with quote
Cryten wrote:
To be fair the time travelling dude was nothing short of helpful and she showed no hestiatation in trying to kill kyouya


Shibusawa showed signs of narcissism as well as an arrogant and warped sense of justice and Kyouya was the first active threat to her mission and was also difficult for her to get a read on. Nanao wasn't perfect but there were no signs he would ever be of any danger to anyone or would be a threat to her mission, aside from the massive potential kill count on Nana's phone. He was obviously and undeniably good, and she even goes as far as to apologize for psychoanalyzing him and making him as uncomfortable as she did as he's hanging onto the cliff for dear life, even if she still viewed it as a necessary action.
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Gem-Bug



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Both the show and the character are a little too pleased with themselves at this moment—none of Nana's machinations are particularly complicated, nor were they that difficult to deduce.


Yeah, this is basically what I was feeling towards this episode. These twists are supposed to wow us and they just haven't been landing for me. It's also silly that Kyouya has been shown to almost be supernaturally on Nana's tail, yet missed this whole multi-day encounter?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:12 pm Reply with quote
For all the faults this show has, every time an episode comes I'm compelled to watch it. That, at least, is a success.
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