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Agent355
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And this series is trying to have it both ways, by making it painfully obvious that Magath and Tyber chose the setting they were absolutely sure Paradis would would take their bait to attack—to the point of choosing their least favorite commanding officers seating arrangements based on where they’d most likely meet their doom. Maybe someone more well versed in military history can correct me, but I don’t think that’s based on an actual historical occurrence . I’m in the “Eren committed a war crime” camp, but beyond the attack being immoral, it also seems poorly thought out—he took the bait, just as planned, and has now antagonized Marley and most of the world (because Tyber helpfully invited dignitaries to his one-man show). It mirrors what Reiner did on Paradis, but Eren is older, more experienced and more aware of the consequences than Reiner was when he broke the walls. He also had the support and advice of multiple friends trying to talk him out of it before reluctantly agreeing to save his ass (and maybe they shouldn’t have). Eren is the villain now, and this attack was a huge mistake. (And before you ask, yes, I’m up to date with the manga) |
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Yuvelir
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Certain Scouts bombing and burning random houses in order to kill as many Marleyans as possible after being ordered to minimize civilian casualties. |
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Johan Eriksson 9003
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I mean, if you are up to date with the manga then Eren's actions should make perfect sense in my book. Not in a "this is the right thing to do" way but in a "he has an endgame he was working towards" way. Even if he still improvised or gambled at a few points. Like, I'm pretty sure he knew the Scouts would come to save him even though he acted against their wishes because what else are they going to do? He knows that they can't afford to lose his power to Marley so while he is clearly taking a huge risk with both himself and others, he at least went in knowing that he would get reluctant backup. Last edited by Johan Eriksson 9003 on Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:36 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Agent355
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I’m more saying that I disagree with Eren’s actions from this point on spoiler[ even if the narrative justifies it with “it was timey-whimey fate”, which it probably will reinforce at the story’s conclusion]
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proper1420
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I think what Willy Tybur and Magath do by purposefully exposing civilians to an expected attack can be considered using civilians as shields, which is a war crime. The war crime Gabi committed (and I suspect will commit again given that she's picked up a rifle while wearing civilian clothes) is called perfidy. An interesting question is whether Reiner, Bert, Annie, and Eren also committed perfidy by their use of their enemies uniforms to attack their enemies. There's a uncertain line between perfidy and a permissible "ruse of war"; it has been successfully argued that one can masquerade as an enemy or a neutral and still attack so long as one changes to the proper uniform or flag before attacking. But does transforming into a Titan constitute a change of uniform? I'm inclined to think so since it's so obvious, but given that this particular changing of uniform can in itself be lethal, it's rather like a warship running up its proper colors while it simultaneously opens fire; it's right on the line, which is where I think this story intends to be. |
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Johan Eriksson 9003
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I find it so very telling that people will bend over backwards to defend Eren and chastise Gabi.
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Agent355
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Just wanted to add that there is a theory among some manga readers that Eren spoiler[is being used and manipulated by Original Ymir as a tool to destroy the world, in which case he is playing into multiple enemies’ hands—Marley in this attack, and Original Ymir in the Rumbling. I don’t think the theory is likely, but it’s worth noting that even some manga readers think Eren is in the wrong for killing civilians just as his enemies want him to]
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Calsolum
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Good eye. I had forgotten about the first event throughout the story but after the second event, that first event raised my attention again. It'll be quite some time till its brought up again but those definitely on purpose.
I don't think that's the case at least not directly. spoiler[Original Ymir is the one with all the power, always had been. Everyone else from Fritz's family had a sort of psychological hold on her, she obeyed orders her whole life and kept doing so no matter what godlike power she obtained. Eren basically 'freed' her, not because of some supernatural power but by giving her a choice, freeing her by acknowledging her existence as a person not a tool. If she really wanted to she could have just done it all anyway. It just seems ineffective to go through so many hoops just to get permission. My guess is that there's no 'real' mastermind, all of this was set into motion long ago. Long before Ymir's time humans have been perpetuating a cycle of violence and Eren got swept up in it and he's spread it to all of humanity. He has the power to stop it but is too caught up in it to even try. His 'predictions' tells him its pointless but ultimately I believe the series will end in someone, somehow filly ending it. Maybe it will be Armin. Maybe Historia will appeal to Eren. Who knows, maybe I'm completely wrong but June will tell] Honestly Eren has always been sorta broken but in contrast to his enemies who were at the time literal monsters and the qualities of a shonen protagonist it went under the radar for most people for some time. I love this version of Eren but he's become the very thing he hated. Jean-Paul Sartre said: Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does. No one embodies this more than Eren so he must be held accountable for his choices in some way or another. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Some of you need to watch the thinly veiled personal insults moving forward.
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#jaycee529
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Agree, not to mention the title of the very first episode of the series is "To you, after 2000 years". Always wondered about the meaning behind that and looks like we will be getting those answers too.
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