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Aletta is the most famous character from that show, since she's prominent in all the advertising, and since she lives in the other world and works in the restaurant, she is kinda an isekai protag in a way. This manga probably would have had her poisoning people or something. |
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Drunk
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I find it hard to believe that the editors didn't notice the similarities...
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Hal14
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I'm sure they did, since that's main selling point of the series. What they didn't see coming was the backlash |
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Meowtain Duwu
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I honestly don’t know what to think about this series’ cancellation. On one hand, this series does kinda seem to be made for a pretty petty reason; isn’t Kakegurui successful on its own? I’m not saying that the author doesn’t have the right to create another series while the former is still being published. It’s just that I don’t see a reason why they’d have to be jealous of all these isekai series because Kakegurui is already a really popular and successful series. Perhaps the author’s jealous of these titles because they’re more successful than their own series?
On the other hand, this concept does sound pretty interesting on its own, but it could’ve been executed much better. If I were to create a series like this, I’d ditch the isekai protag parodies and instead would simply parody or satirize common isekai character archetypes (like the overpowered main character for instance). Overall, I’m not sure whether or not this manga “deserved” to get the axe so early on, but I do feel like it was created out of jealousy due to how popular all of the isekai series this manga alluded to are. |
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mangamuscle
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Of course they knew there would be backslash, what was beyond their calculations is the historical speed of the answer, i.e. Pastel Memories and Osamatsu-kun took a month or two before the axe came down to remove the anime episode(s) and for High Score Girl it was until the anime was announced that the manga went into hiatus. The morale of the story is, don't mess with the cash cow, because the farmer will come with the shotgun loaded, shot first and ask questions later (if any). |
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Shay Guy
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The Re:Creators approach seems ideal: make each character a pastiche of multiple sources so they're recognizable as fitting in the broader landscape, but not taking aim at any one particular work even when they're made to look a little ridiculous. (A Guts/Arturia hybrid, a generic pink-haired magical girl, a Shana/Asuna/Akame mashup with a mecha, etc.) Which shouldn't be too hard, given that the isekai field has become so flooded and has developed plenty of distinct strains. Plenty of inspiration out there for an akuyaku-reijou character, for instance. Though even if your OP isekai-leads are antagonists, it's probably still better to give them depth beyond "you should feel good when bad things happen to them". |
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RockSplash
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I don't know why some people are defending this. It seems to be an example of the lack of fair use in Japan. What about American Series like the Boys. They directly have parody's of Superman, American heroes in general. But in Japan, this is not allowed. How come MHA can parody American heroes as well, but this is different?It seems it is a case of not being allowed to write what you want.
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PotatoGirl
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Yeah, I was on board with it until I saw these names. Why parody characters that not only are parodies themselves, but also don't evil fall into the traps of most wish-fulfillment isekai? One of them doesn't even have powers and her series is just slice-of-life with elves and dragons. It just feels mean-spirited to include them alongside real examples. |
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Electric Wooloo
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People are defending it because it was a pretty blatant attack against fan-favorite characters and wasn't doing anything clever with them, it was literally just "They're all evil!" Also Fair Use must either be non-commercial or "advance the knowledge or the progress of the arts through the addition of something new" like a parody or review. This doesn't read like a parody to me, it reads like revenge porn, and revenge porn Isekai is nothing transformative. If I write a story where Superman is evil and Original Character do not steal kills him and try to make money off of it, that's not Fair Use. Fair use as it is is already a very flawed system and major websites *cough* youtube *cough* have run up against it constantly. A lot of actual Fair Use like in movie reviews get demonetized, meanwhile there are a ton of people screaming fair use while directly pirating. But that's a topic not for this article. |
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RockSplash
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I don't really care how it was blatant attacks or not. You say that your superman story is not fair use, except that is exactly what the Boys, Invinicble, and MANY other comics do. This is a Japan problem. It seems they are overly sensitive to critiques of their own characters. Yet they steal stuff from other countries just fine. |
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ATastySub
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None of the things you named have a character named Klark Cent dressed exactly like Superman. As previously mentioned there's a big difference in clear inspirations and archetypes and simply filing some serial numbers off and calling them original characters. That said stuff like Osomatsu's first episode is no longer available because Japan is strict about this stuff. However the rest of that series is still available because only that episode was parody jokes, not the entire premise of their show. Even in America you probably wouldn't get to claim fair use or parody if that was all you did. |
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Hal14
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The Boys was created with DC comics knowledge and involvement, which is why its most prominently featured and marketed spoofs, the Seven, are of DC characters. The spoofs of marvel characters are either less significant or legally distinct (the best kind of distinct). Similarly, MHA parodies western heroes but its designs and names are not lifted. There's even an episode where they joke that they can't use the name "Alien Queen" due to copyright. I'm not defending what happened here because there is nothing to defend. Others were smart about how they did this while these people were not. I mean, for F's sake, they did a color spread of their spoofs despite (probably) not having the acknowledgment of the original creators. You can spoof characters but it shouldn't be the main selling point unless you get permission first. |
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DRosencraft
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Don't know enough about the promised story of this manga to comment on it's application, but I see a lot of folks here throwing around the term "fair use" and failing at understanding what fair use actually is.
Part of the problem is that there is a difference between "fair use" and plain failure to enforce copyright law. I can claim "fair use" all day, but until my claim is challenged in a court, and an official ruling is made, my claim of fair use is just self-serving covering of my own butt. It's up to the actual copyright holder to come forward and make a claim I'm violating their copyright, and then for a court to hear the case and deliver a verdict. This is how the doujin market operates; a non-verbal agreement by the owners of popular copyrights that they won't go after folks profiting off their works. without that, even in the US the doujin market would be stamped out as failing to meet fair use standards. As for fair use as a legal concept, it covers limited use of copyrighted works for the purpose of education, or as parody or satire. People tend to forget the "limited use" portion. A serialized release is highly unlikely to make the cut, as is the assumed use of a character and their entire background from within another work, where all you do is change a name. I see the Superman example brought up. The problem with Superman is that he as a character has come to symbolize what a superhero is. Therefore, Superman in a general sense has entered the public domain. Now, if you put your superhero in a red and blue suit with a cape and an S on their chest and say they're from an alien planet made up of green rock, you'll probably run into trouble. Change it to orange and green, remove the S, explain their powers some other way, and now it's a generic superhero likely free of copyright concerns, but still close enoguh to make whatever point you're looking for. |
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harminia
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I liked the concept of this but from what I'm hearing it was just edgelord stuff. I feel like it'd be more interesting to have someone deal with cheat characters but in a way where the villains aren't just rapist psycho not-so-nice-people.
Maybe like, the god of a world has to deal with all the cheaters the higher ups isekai'd and is desperately trying to balance things. Also as much as I love the super unashamedly blatant rip off characters designs, it would've been safer to make them generic representations of isekai genres (magic academy, villainess, fantasy adventure, slice of life etc) that draws from popular characters but isn't so obviously the characters.
Same. It's my favourite one. Kiruto is good, but Honda is simply perfect. |
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John the Dark Lord
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Also on the Superman example: Fawcett Publications did get sued for creating Captain Marvel (now Shazam), "a black-haired all-American feller in a costume with a lot of bright red, who can punch through cars and stop robbers".
Now, it's no mistery that the only difference between Shazam and the remaining army of Super-clones is that he managed to sell more comics than Supes, but the point still stands: fair use will only get you so far if you piss off the original creators. Heck, even doujins would count as copyright violation if there wasn't a non-verbal agreement between fans and creators - most of them anyway - to overlook those for the sake of the fandom. |
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