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Greed1914
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:00 am
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Top Gun wrote: |
Hiroki not Takuya wrote: | Good to see there are some anime related companies with guts...Funi isn't one of them so a dub from them: doubtful... |
Ah yes, a company which doesn't have a porn label dropping a title that takes an unexpected turn into full-on porn totally doesn't have "guts." Right Stuf only picked this title up because they knew they could throw it on their Critical Mass label and be fine. |
Pretty much. I'll give them credit for seizing an opportunity here to get something that will probably sell better than normal due to notoriety, but I wouldn't give them credit for making some kind of bold statement or anything. The fact that they put it under the Critical Mass label seems more like an acknowledgment that it did go further with its content than normal.
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Sailor Sedna
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:54 am
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Whilst I had no interest in seeing this, not gonna lie, seeing the whole controversy of this series was entertaining.
I'm surprised RightStuf got it, you'd figure it would have been Media Blasters.
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all-tsun-and-no-dere
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:30 pm
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El Hermano wrote: |
getchman wrote: | was anyone actually worried that a porn label would not be selling porn uncensored? |
It's sad to say, but these days it wouldn't be surprising if the American release was found to have been altered in some way given what some companies are doing these days. |
Please give an example of an anime that has had sexual content removed from it for US release in the last ten years, or stop scaremongering.
People don't realize that there's a whole other set of laws concerning the distribution of porn over other forms of media. Not just who's allowed to watch it or how they're allowed to sell it; I'm talking structural and financial elements like taxation. Funimation just isn't set up for that. I'm glad the fans are able to get it but I wish people would stop treating it like some culture wars front.
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DavetheUsher
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:05 pm
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all-tsun-and-no-dere wrote: | Please give an example of an anime that has had sexual content removed from it for US release in the last ten years, or stop scaremongering. |
Off the top of my head, Funimation's Tsugumomo release and 4K Media's various Yu-Gi-Oh! releases are censored for sexual content. Then you got the whole Seven Seas debacle and a number of other censorship when it comes to LNs, manga, and video games. IMO it's a valid concern to have these days. I dunno if it's the "culture war" stuff you mention, but there does seem to be a lot of animosity between industry folk and anime fans these days where folks will sarcastically brag about censoring series which just fuel to the fire. Seems kinda like a no-brainer to not brag about censoring stuff if you dont want people to say you're censoring stuff.
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all-tsun-and-no-dere
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:22 pm
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DavetheUsher wrote: |
all-tsun-and-no-dere wrote: | Please give an example of an anime that has had sexual content removed from it for US release in the last ten years, or stop scaremongering. |
Off the top of my head, Funimation's Tsugumomo release and 4K Media's various Yu-Gi-Oh! releases are censored for sexual content. Then you got the whole Seven Seas debacle and a number of other censorship when it comes to LNs, manga, and video games. IMO it's a valid concern to have these days. |
Funi released the version of Tsugumomo that they got from the Japanese side. That was not their choice. 4Kids hasn't been active for close to a decade, if not more. I'm aware of the light novel edits, and I agree they were wrong, but I specified anime. Outside of children's shows, the only case I can think of an American anime company actually censoring content, rather than getting already-censored material from Japanese companies or making translation choices people disagree with, is the manji in Tokyo Revengers.
Quote: | I dunno if it's the "culture war" stuff you mention, but there does seem to be a lot of animosity between industry folk and anime fans these days where folks will sarcastically brag about censoring series which just fuel to the fire. Seems kinda like a no-brainer to not brag about censoring stuff if you dont want people to say you're censoring stuff. |
They're not "bragging," they're reacting to getting peppered with baseless accusations and harassment with sarcasm out of frustration. The animosity fully originated with fans who don't speak Japanese thinking they understand the original material better than the people who either speak it natively or spent years working to learn it. I've seen the situation play out enough times to know what's up.
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Redbeard 101
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:35 pm
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all-tsun-and-no-dere wrote: |
DavetheUsher wrote: |
Off the top of my head, Funimation's Tsugumomo release and 4K Media's various Yu-Gi-Oh! releases are censored for sexual content. Then you got the whole Seven Seas debacle and a number of other censorship when it comes to LNs, manga, and video games. IMO it's a valid concern to have these days. |
Funi released the version of Tsugumomo that they got from the Japanese side. That was not their choice. |
Which is something that many fans just love to ignore, and not even consider. It's easier to just assume the western companies are editing material as they see fit in a vacuum with no oversight or review. The Japanese companies couldn't possibly have signed off on what is released. They surely couldn't have been the ones that sent any edited material themselves to western companies for release. Nope, just them dang Shonen Jump Weekly companies and they're moral/political agendas editing and ruining anime.
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:20 am
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I'm curious about something, when something is edited for release in Japan whether it be removing scenes, pixelating genitals or adding strategically placed objects or steamy blobs, who legally owns the unedited material? If the digital master copy changes hands to another party (for releasing it uncensored in another country) doesn't that also essentially count as a transaction of pornographic material that isn't censored to meet Japanese anti-pornography laws?
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AmpersandsUnited
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:03 am
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all-tsun-and-no-dere wrote: | 4Kids hasn't been active for close to a decade, if not more. |
Yu-Gi-Oh VRAINS' English dub premiered in 2018. Darren Dunstan also confirmed that Sevens will be getting an English dub by Konami Cross Media NY, formally 4K Media, formally formally 4Kids Productions. They're still very much active, albeit under a new name.
Past wrote: | I'm curious about something, when something is edited for release in Japan whether it be removing scenes, pixelating genitals or adding strategically placed objects or steamy blobs, who legally owns the unedited material? If the digital master copy changes hands to another party (for releasing it uncensored in another country) doesn't that also essentially count as a transaction of pornographic material that isn't censored to meet Japanese anti-pornography laws? |
Those laws only regard the sale and distribution of the material in Japan. Licensing it to another company isn't really distributing it. I doubt Ishizoku Reviewers will have any of that though. I imagine all the glowing penises and stuff will stay that way since that was how they were animated. That's different from just removing a layer of mosaic censoring like how old American releases of hentai DVDs were.
As far as broadcast version go, I thought that was pretty common for American releases? Not necessarily always cut content, but even just cases like animation touch ups not being included on the western DVD/BD release half the time because they get the broadcast version licensed. I guess technically it's not their active decision, but it does still make those releases inferior products. The Seikon no Qwaser release by Sentai did not include any of the ecchi picture drama specials that were on the Japanese blu-rays. I'm sure it was a "licensing issue" as well but the reason something is omitted shouldn't really matter if the discussion is strictly about cut content. But I would agree overall American manga and light-novels have a lot more to worry about than anime does; unless we're also including sub translations that tone things down or flat out change things which is a bit more common to see.
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shabu shabu
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:02 am
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all-tsun-no-dere wrote: | They're not "bragging," they're reacting to getting peppered with baseless accusations and harassment with sarcasm out of frustration. The animosity fully originated with fans who don't speak Japanese thinking they understand the original material better than the people who either speak it natively or spent years working to learn it. I've seen the situation play out enough times to know what's up. |
How it it baseless when you can fact check translations by looking at the original text? That's how the Seven Seas alterations were discovered. Plenty of people speak Japanese out there, not that someone needs an N1 to know "yatsura" probably shouldn't be translated to "incels" or any other kinds of writing that obviously wasn't written by a Japanese writer but an American localizer. I have always advocated for people to learn Japanese so they do not have to rely on translations, official or otherwise to enjoy the media they consume.
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all-tsun-and-no-dere
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:30 pm
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shabu shabu wrote: |
all-tsun-no-dere wrote: | They're not "bragging," they're reacting to getting peppered with baseless accusations and harassment with sarcasm out of frustration. The animosity fully originated with fans who don't speak Japanese thinking they understand the original material better than the people who either speak it natively or spent years working to learn it. I've seen the situation play out enough times to know what's up. |
How it it baseless when you can fact check translations by looking at the original text? That's how the Seven Seas alterations were discovered. |
The Seven Seas edits were a problem, though a choice made by editors and not translators.
Quote: | Plenty of people speak Japanese out there, not that someone needs an N1 to know "yatsura" probably shouldn't be translated to "incels" |
I'd say whether or not it should be is heavily dependent on context! But I'm not going to get drawn into a discussion about translation being an art and not a science because it's an old, exhausting argument, nobody's going to change my mind, I'm not going to change anyone else's mind, and I have better things to do with my time.
My point wasn't whether or not translation choices you disagree with are "wrong," it was that anime being edited for sexual content almost never happens. Even on the rare occasions it does (and I did not know that Konami Cross Media NY is the former 4Kids, so good to know), it's pretty much just children's anime being edited for other culture's standards of what is/is not appropriate for children. Whether or not you agree with that is immaterial to the point that worrying about a US anime distributor, especially a porn label, removing sexual content for home video release is completely baseless and only stems from seeing licensors as the enemy out to take away your animated titties.
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EmperorBrandon
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:17 am
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AmpersandsUnited wrote: | As far as broadcast version go, I thought that was pretty common for American releases? Not necessarily always cut content, but even just cases like animation touch ups not being included on the western DVD/BD release half the time because they get the broadcast version licensed. |
I don't believe it's that common at all. When American distributors release a title on home video, it is almost always the home video version from Japan. Some companies like FUNimation and Sentai (via Hidive) update their streams too when the home video version comes out complete with the touch ups that are usually done. The rare exceptions stand out because they get noticed.
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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:52 am
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EmperorBrandon wrote: |
AmpersandsUnited wrote: | As far as broadcast version go, I thought that was pretty common for American releases? Not necessarily always cut content, but even just cases like animation touch ups not being included on the western DVD/BD release half the time because they get the broadcast version licensed. |
I don't believe it's that common at all. When American distributors release a title on home video, it is almost always the home video version from Japan. Some companies like FUNimation and Sentai (via Hidive) update their streams too when the home video version comes out complete with the touch ups that are usually done. The rare exceptions stand out because they get noticed. |
If I remember right, there was that Zombie anime, where the guy turned his dead girlfriend into a Zombie, after her creepy father caused her death. Then he was trying to stop her from rotting away. Can't remember the end, I really need to see it now. Believe this was released as the Broadcast version, and then after fans complained, eventually they released the home video version. I think I still have the old version on my shelf. You did say almost though, so you are covered, but I think there may still be another few examples out there that I can't remember over the years.
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Key
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:16 pm
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TarsTarkas wrote: | If I remember right, there was that Zombie anime, where the guy turned his dead girlfriend into a Zombie, after her creepy father caused her death. Then he was trying to stop her from rotting away. Can't remember the end, I really need to see it now. Believe this was released as the Broadcast version, and then after fans complained, eventually they released the home video version. I think I still have the old version on my shelf. You did say almost though, so you are covered, but I think there may still be another few examples out there that I can't remember over the years. |
You're referring to Sankarea: Undying Love, and yes, there was a big stink back in 2013 about Funimation having released the TV broadcast version originally. That was mostly about graphic content rather than sexual content, but it was one of the early cases of a company not realizing that they had not gotten the home video version for distribution.
There have been a handful of other cases over the last decade, but they are very definitely exceptions rather than the rule.
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